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05-13-2011, 10:33 PM | #134 |
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That isn't in dispute and I agree (the total for all of my upgrades would definitely put me into a 1M and I could probably wing the difference to get a 1M as well)....but for those of us that have done it in a timely stretched out manner, trading "up" for a 1M with minimal performance gain versus our already tuned cars is something we are less likely to be inclined to do. Seriously I would love to see someone drive my car and then drive the 1M and tell me it is faster....even around the track with minimum suspension upgrades.....
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05-13-2011, 10:51 PM | #136 |
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^^^No I get it...I do...but I own a '08 with 50k miles and don't have a single big issue....for you I can understand...you are in the market for a NEW car with you old car being 7 years old I can understand.....but for someone like myself do you think it is worth the extra $25k+ I would pay for minimal performance gains?
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05-13-2011, 11:34 PM | #137 |
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Sorry for the offtopic, but adrean I am curious of what your full mod list is on your 135i if you don't mind saying?
I do agree though, it would be a waste for me to trade up my tuned 135i for a 1M. |
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05-13-2011, 11:38 PM | #138 | |
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I just wanted to know how the thrust, power, etc feels because everyone is ranting about it but I feel that those who go from a tuned car or even a car just running a piggyback with map 3 or 5 will be somewhat disappointed. I thought maybe there is a slim chance that the M actually will impress across the board and wanted clarification. This way I go into it with more realistic impressions. I feel like I know the real answer, I just wanted to hear it from someone that experienced both cars first hand. In the end as I stated previously the point is moot because anyone with a piggyback or flash can just add that to the M and be back where they were in their 135. |
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05-14-2011, 12:31 AM | #139 | ||
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You are the reason I added the "disposable" income disclaimer to those that make the argument FOR getting a 1M even though they already have a tuned 135i Quote:
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05-16-2011, 09:23 PM | #140 |
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I noticed today that Autoweek specifically wrote the intake MANIFOLD is different between the 1 series and 1M. That might be where the confusion was with the intakes looking the same in the pics.
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05-16-2011, 09:25 PM | #141 |
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I thought that was what he might be talking about as well...but (at least on RealOEM) the part numbers are currently listed as the same. I might try to give Dan a call tomorrow and see if he can look up the part numbers for me so we can verify.
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05-16-2011, 10:57 PM | #142 |
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335is vs. 1M
Doesn't the 335is have additional oil and radiator cooling not found on the standard 335? I've seen no reference to those on the 1M, although you'd think they would be there since BMW seems to expect many 1M's to see track time.
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05-17-2011, 04:35 PM | #143 |
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Hello guys,
Could you tell me if the internal engine (Piston, connecting rods, crankshafts) are forged?
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05-17-2011, 05:48 PM | #144 |
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I agree - the performance increment from a stock 135i to 1M probably isn't worth the cost to upgrade. Certainly the benefit is even smaller if you have added a tune and maybe some suspension parts.
But if you don't already have a 135, it's an easy case to make that the 1M is worth the incremental price. The brakes, suspension, diff, body, slight tune ... no way you duplicate that for the price of 1M minus 135.
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05-18-2011, 10:17 AM | #146 | |
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The 335is has additional oil cooler, but the 135i comes with the auxiliary oil cooler standard, basically putting it on par mechanically speaking with the 335is. It just doesn't have overboost.
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05-18-2011, 03:09 PM | #148 | |
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Does it accelerate like a tuned 135 or not? more thrust? less thrust? Simply a seat of the pants gauge of how the car feels. Would these owners feel as impressed with that aspect of the car after experiencing a tuned N54 or would they feel let down? Nothing more. |
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05-18-2011, 06:41 PM | #149 |
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The DME won't restrict tuning, however the same things that restrict the 135i will restrict the 1M.
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05-18-2011, 06:44 PM | #150 |
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Actually, I believe their is an expectation that BMW may well up the level of tuning protection. Again.
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