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It'd be a pretty good buy if it were only 90%. A 135i with a tune, suspension, and wheels/tires can do about 110% what an M3 can in terms of raw performance. :-p The point is that's a slightly silly thing to say, because the same holds true for any M car. I'm still perfectly happy with my Z4 M coupe, even though my chipped 1 was significantly faster in a straight line. The difference between an M and a regular BMW is not just suspension, tuning, and brakes. It's a radically different experience. A 335i, for example, is not remotely comparable to an M3 in terms of driving fun even if it will blow one away in a straight line with a grand of tweaking.
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07-09-2010, 07:11 AM | #136 |
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Here's what BMW should do with the 1-series M..
Here's what BMW should do with the 1-series M...
Matt Prior For me, the great thing about BMW’s plan for a hot 1-Series is not just that there is going to be an M version of the coupe/two-door saloon (view it how you will), but that it’s going to be ‘in the tradition of the very first M3’. You’ll remember the first M3, of course. Some lads from our sister title Pistonheads have driven one to the Classic Le Mans this weekend and brought it to the office the other day. It still looks fabulous and, in its smallness, seems now more relevant than ever. At 1200kg it was light, and a touch under 200bhp from its highly-tuned four pot was ample. I very much doubt either of those numbers will be so small this time. A 135i coupe already runs in at 1530kg and 302bhp. What I hope is that M division has the confidence to feel that it doesn’t just have to blitz the power of the rest of the range. It has other models – M5, M6 the Xs – that do that. I’d love to think that when BMW talks about the affordability and purity of the original, it really means it. Keep it light, keep it simple, remember that handling and fun are not the same as power and grip. So far, I’m encouraged that in our spy shots the 1M’s wheels – although large in diameter – don’t look too wide at the back, and not too much wider than the fronts. No bonnet bulge either, and the exhausts only exit one side. There’s no massive engine, in other words. In my ideal spec a 1-Series M would be a four-pot (I suspect it’ll have to be, though I’d rather it wasn’t, turbocharged) making perhaps 240bhp, and I’d want to find a way of taking the weight down to 1250kg, less if at all possible. It’d be completed by a slippy diff, Alcantara wheel and gearlever, tight seats and a £25k asking price. Forget the fact a Ford Focus RS is more powerful. Ignore the fact a Renaultsport Megane might lap the Nordschleife more quickly. These things mean nothing when it comes to poise, agility, balance - all the things that make a great car, like the E30, or a Peugeot 205 GTi or Lotus Elise, or a great bike like the Ducati 748, so memorable. Five years ago, of course, these things would have been an impossible dream. A 1-Series M would have been a 350bhp blown-six hot rod at £40k. But things have changed a bit since then. Cars have to get lighter and cleaner. Already most performance cars are too fast to be routinely enjoyed on the road. The sports car genre could do with some recalibration. I just hope the 1-Series M leads the way. http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/anyth...-series-m.aspx |
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07-09-2010, 07:14 AM | #137 |
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i severely doubt that 1 M coupe will be 335hp. i'm thinking about 350-375hp to make it worth the "upgrade" for you guys. just shy of the M3 414hp. i'm certain that BMW knows chipped 135 can take on M3 already.
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07-09-2010, 07:26 AM | #139 |
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NOOOOOOO they are taking the M coupe name away from where it belongs!!!
Regardless, if the car isn't over 360-370hp, it will not be worth it, and they wont make it 400 bc then it would destroy their flagship m3 in every fashion. They will tame it, kinda like porsche did with the cayman to ensure it didn't top the 911. Would I buy one of these, maybe, would I rather get a 135 and do what will probably be the same work bmw is doing anyway, yea. Real stats have yet to be released, so until then I hold my true opinion on the car. I am still not happy with the sentence long name however. I just hope the fact is that its going to be called the m1 by everyone anyway and hopefully not the m coupe!
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07-09-2010, 07:46 AM | #141 | |
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Just like - M3 Coupe, M3 Sedan, M3 Vert. This will be a 1 series M Coupe, as opposed to a 1 series M Convertible. The model designation would however be 1///M, so it's not that long 375-385 would give it the same power/weight ratio as the ///M3 if it remains the same weight - the cut off the maximum the car would have was 360 explained scott earlier.
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07-09-2010, 08:15 AM | #142 |
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What is this 335bhp number that these people keep throwing out? This isn't an is...or maybe it is, you know it doesn't have a powerdome hood...it can't be an M
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07-09-2010, 08:56 AM | #143 |
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If it's 3,400lb's and only produces 335Hp, I'd be a little disappointed. WHy would I buy that over say an '08 M Coupe for $10K+ less? Less than 360hp would be a waste of time unless they dropped the weight. Looking forward to seeing, but not very excited about it.
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I don't understand why everyone is willing to buy this car already? The price, specs, and test drives have not even been done. Everything is speculation at this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited but I'm not selling my one just yet. Especially, if I can tune my 1 for cheaper and get better results
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I test drove the 135i when they very first came out in the BMW sponsored Autocross... I loved the car but never bought knowing that one day an M version of the car would come out.
Firstly, 335hp? Seriously? 33 extra horsepower is the best BMW can do? Secondly, I hope to hell it is not a turbo and is naturally aspirated. Thirdly, I cannot believe that BMW didn't call it the M1... what a cop out. That last point only leads me to believe that the entire car is one giant compromise; basically an effort to out-do the 135i... but keep it under the M3 bar. Considering how good the 135i was there is not much wiggle room for dramatic improvement, I really wish BMW would just make the best damn car they could instead of pussy footing around the political issues. Detuned engines and long convoluted names are BS. I will be waiting eagerly on more details, although I don't have a lot of confidence at this point. |
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07-09-2010, 09:18 AM | #147 | |
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I say this because I think its all but certain it will be a turbocharged inline six of some type. A turbo four seems like a tiny, tiny outside shot at best (though, come F2x 1M time, then maybe something like that stands a greater chance...). And a naturally aspirated motor is, frankly, not happening. So, I figure they base it on the N55. Last edited by mkoesel; 07-09-2010 at 09:23 AM.. |
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Many BMW enthusiasts, such as myself, felt that E30 M3 was a ground breaking performance vehicle that BMW gifted us out of sheer excitement. Many remember the days when a small 4 cylinder 2.3L produced incredible 195 hp which became a win win formula for an exciting vehicle. Thus, I am not asking BMW to create similar performance. I am asking BMW to return to its racing heritage; and I am hoping the 1//M will revive the Motorsport division. Sure you can have the horsepower, the braking and handling; however, without the actual "feel" of the car's soul, it is all deemed useless. I am hoping that this car will deliver such promise. I look forward to test driving this vehicle. As anyone can see, the excitement is building up quite rapidly and passionately about the 1//M. Last edited by positiveions; 07-09-2010 at 09:37 AM.. |
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In terms of the M1 name...it's not a cop out, because the real M1 name belongs to a car that's in a different league than the current 1 series... |
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07-09-2010, 09:58 AM | #152 |
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The car looks sweet, but what I really want to know is, when and if the next generation 1 series is going to come out. I am not interested in getting rid of my 135i for the M if there is a new more updated 1 series coming out that will probably have more power than our current versions anyway.
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I really like my 135, but anyone who has driven a current M3 can tell you how much more fun it is to drive when it comes to handling.
The 1M chassis is basically the M3's just bolted in. This is why the 1M flares have to be so large. The front track is going to be 2.2" inches wider than a 135i. The rear track is .8" wider. You can bolt on your house and will not get the same handling of this different chasis. This track difference alone will improve the basic physics and grip and naturally get rid of a lot of understeer which plagues the 135. All this talk about modding a 135 into a better car than the 1M is fun but ignores important differences. The electronic controls and integrated M diff are another item that cannot be easily replicated if at all. And how many modders, and I am a modder, install multiple variations of bushing materials to find the right durometer so the chassis is finely balanced and then go test it at the "Ring"? Not me. Go look at OEM.com and compare all the differences between an M3 and 135i chassis. All of the aluminum arms are stronger and lighter. The difference in part numbers is large. The M3, and 1M, chassis is a complete evolution of the 135i/335i chassis. The point is, as a starting point, the 1M has advantages that cannot be easily replicated with even serious mods to a 135i. You can always mod a 135 and enjoy that, but few modded 135's will better the 1M and would cost more to create. |
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The biggest puzzles for me are: - Why the N54? That's just the 335is engine. We were led to believe N55 with a really trick manifold... - Why the M3 calipers? I can assure you, the M3 has nothing on the 135i on braking. Please keep the Brembos...
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