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Similarly, when I take a tight, 180 curve, and the whole car starts to drift a bit, and I'm feathering the throttle, to try to coax a little more control out of the car, I tell myself, "on the road, if I were doing this and a child ran in front of me, I wouldn't be able to do a thing to avoid him/her." Stuff like that.
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On the road there are lanes and there are speed limits. If you stick to both (which you should) then I don't see how track experience helps. |
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Number 2 I absolutely agree with and if you look at previous discussions I personally think that's the one very useful thing I take out of the track: to know how fast my car can stop and how to best do it. Number 3 is interesting.. if you stick to the law to begin with you shouldn't need to be in a track to be reminded of this? Good points anyway |
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09-09-2011, 03:53 PM | #117 |
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lol right but do you really need to go out on a track to figure out that on the streets you shouldn't start on the leftmost lane, cut through the apex at 80mph then take nice smooth line to the far left ?
and as for the child example I thought that was kind of funny.. so did tracking teach you to just run him/her over instead of slamming the brakes to at least have the impact be at a lower speed? |
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09-09-2011, 03:57 PM | #118 |
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No, I was just being sarcastic, until AudiS4 made me think that there may be some practical application.
I suppose tracking did teach me that there are worse things in the world than flying off into the dirt/grass, to avoid a crash. That would probably come in handy in the kid in the street scenario. Of course, again from the motorcycles, I am almost instinctively looking for alternative paths at all times.
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09-09-2011, 04:02 PM | #119 | |
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I think his second point is the one learning you take from the track. It's just that honestly in the entire time I've been driving, which has been many years, when adhering to all laws and speed limits I have yet to experience a situation where the car escapes from my control and I am able to avoid a disaster due to something that I learned on the track..... it's just so different that I have trouble applying anything from one to another. The useful things I would like to learn are to abruptly dodge an object at high speeds and learn how to minimize danger/damage, how to regain control upon hitting oil, and controlling the car on snow. Neither of those you learn on the track... Or at least let's hope not. |
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yeah what I meant is that I don't think my skills learned in the track every helped me control the car when it escapes from my control, given that i'm adhering to laws and speed limits. if you're going outrageously fast.. well then yes then track experience obviously helps
but yeah, anyway, this is getting too long lol |
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There is more to learning on the track than "car control". Not everyone may have those everyday skills on the regular road honed to a "T" like you may have or people may have taken them for granted:
1. Looking ahead.....looking at the car in front of you...and through him in anticipation of any trouble...or in higher levels...a passing opportunity. 2. Goes hand in hand with above: avenues of escape (already been mentioned I think). As a motorcycle rider myself and others have mentioned they do this as a matter of fact. Many, however, do not ride motorcycles and they will have to learn this on the track. 3. One lesser looked at benefit (at least for me it was) is to trust your tires more....they can actually take and grip wayyyyy more than the typical laymen believes. With that confidence, tempered by common sense, one may be able to come out of a dicey situation on the road a little better. 4. to continue that theme: trust your brakes more. It is amazing the actual stopping power our brakes have (maybe not lap after lap after lap for some people, but in everyday driving with the brakes not cooked). It wasn't until after my first HPDE that I realized you can basically STAND on these brakes and the car will shed speed waaaay faster than I realized it could. Good thing to know on the street given the amount of other crazy drivers out there. That is just a touch of what I feel could be learned or dare I say relearned during a HPDE. |
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Car has no torque but a really nice chassis. If they were crap they wouldn't be racing them in the grand am series
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Yea that's what I'm saying... don't mean to derail the thread but the car has a superior chassis to the 1 hands down. After more and more track days you kind of realize the shortcomings of the 1's platform that can't be remedied no matter what mods you do. But ya the RX8 would need a turbo/supercharger or a different engine drop in, then it'd be perfect... except for the reliability issues of FI on a rotary =\
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Where the 1 is about making speed at the exit of a corner, the 8 is about carrying speed all the way through the corner.
However, FI will be an awesome add to the 8. |
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this thread was saved thanks to this video.
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