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I'm merely saying that they are not my cup of tea. Not a surprising point of view in a 1addicts thread. It's not like I'm going over to an STI or EVO thread and complaining about how the cars look. Frankly, I'm a bit sick of your defensiveness about every aspect of these cars on a BMW FAN SITE. What do you expect? |
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01-31-2008, 10:25 PM | #157 |
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Oh i know, but i don't think my statement and yours are mutually exclusive. The fanboys still get pissed because, much like the BMW fanboys, the thought of acknowledging the greatness of another car sets their sphincters a-clenching
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02-01-2008, 01:40 AM | #158 |
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Apparently the new Evo X and Sti aren't all they were hyped up to be. The two recent comparos Car & Driver and Edmunds both had the Evo winning over the Sti.
But Edmunds also brought an Evo IX to the test and it consistently beat the new Evo X in lap times. Car and Driver knocked both the Evo and Sti for their interiors, they are not up to par for the price they are charging. Car and Driver also said the Sti chassis suffers from "terminal understeer". |
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02-01-2008, 02:53 AM | #159 | |
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Now as far as being biased and the fan boy issue, this is a bmw forum so of course the 135i is gonna be the winner here. We are here because weve choosen the 135i! car vs car vs car threads should never be taken to heart. Its merely opinions. Now lets all get along and hold hands as we wait to become new father's of baby 1ers. :drinking:
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02-01-2008, 05:31 AM | #160 |
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I totally agree with the 4 door econobox for the buck era disappearing. Like I've said previously, this is mainly because a lot of manufacturers have now raised the bar to ensure they have cars that compete in that segment. More competition in the segment means raising the standard of what's offered and this plays right into the Luxury brands. Most entry lux cars now have 300 hp and are very finely tuned for performance . In terms of hardcore purpose built cars, as much as all us car lover would like to think that cars are all about performance, the truth is the majority of car buyers out there would take luxury, comfort and reliability over performance. This therefore force Subaru and Mitsu "soften" both EVO and STi to grab a bigger market share. As far as I know the EVO and STi have always, or at least for a long long time, been very computerized cars. The Evo has had Active Yaw Control for the last couple of generations, and that's really what make the EVO standout in terms of handling. But being over computerized has happened to all cars BMW included. |
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02-01-2008, 07:27 AM | #161 | |
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Thanks for the advise. :wink: I still dont see what the attraction is to these products. Different strokes I guess. I cant see the EVO being successful in Canada. The price is very high and the dealer network is not there. We will see. |
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02-01-2008, 08:12 AM | #162 | |
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Doesn't have to be your thing, but how could you not see the attraction. Performance/$$$ is a selling point last I checked. |
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02-01-2008, 08:51 AM | #163 | |
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Some of us look for an overall compromise in all areas. Looks, amenities, reputation, and yes performance. |
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02-01-2008, 12:14 PM | #164 | |
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A little bump and a BTW. Road & Track has a comparo of the Evo X and the STi up in the March '08 issue. They were quite smitten with the Evo X MR and the Mitsu interpretation of the DSG.
I need to hit the Mitsubishi dealer and drive the X. I always liked any seat time I could get in prior generations of the Evo, in fact took an Evo VIII to a Porsche club meeting once (that was fun ; -). |
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I too have the same dilemma. Just drove the Evo X today and its amazing. Its not as brutally fast as the last gen but its damn fast enough! It also handles a bit better, you can really feel that S-AWC kick in around corners going faster than you should.
Gonna have to wait until the 135 comes out and I can drive it though. One thing about BMW I dont care for is the way the options add up so quick. So a $35k base can end up being well over $40k quickly and thats too much for this car I think, at least for me. Alot of this stuff BMW charges thousands for is standard on the other 2 cars. |
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I've always been worried about Mitsubishi because of their relative lack of success in the US. I feel like they could stop selling cars in the US tomorrow and it wouldn't surprise me.
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02-22-2008, 11:33 PM | #169 |
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And I like the last generation STi better than this new one. I just can't get over the looks. I had a nice blue '04 with silver wheels. Lots of fun, but the lack of refinement got to me eventually. It just needed one or two things to be better...better paint, better seats, something. The seats were the worst part.
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I disagree. They are not on solid ground here in the states. Just so you know, he has a valid point.
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It should be great in bad weather, and I believe Mitsubishi is still in the red, so we might see 0% financing. Not too long ago, the Eclipse was 0% for 60months!!
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1. 135i (FAT) 2. EVO X (FATTER) 3. STI (CAN'T TURN) STi's unwilling to rotate is easily fixed by some added front camber... I believe... |
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Apparently the Evo X stomps the latest STI in nearly all performance functionality aspects (so I hear on the shows/read in the mags) Aesthetics and econo-use is another story depending on user to user I guess
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I'm just saying, they don't inspire me with confidence. Might be out of date, but if Subaru and Mitsu made the exact same car, I'm buying from Subaru.
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