[PrematureApex]

We all said this thing was going to be an M4 Jr. It is.

Still excited about it, but I for one would have preferred something different.

Lighter, more focused, if less powerful. A bigger differentiation to the M4.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

We all said this thing was going to be an M4 Jr. It is.

Still excited about it, but I for one would have preferred something different.

Lighter, more focused, if less powerful. A bigger differentiation to the M4.

Every single review so far has said it has its own character that's different that the M4's.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Why ? Because arrogant fanboys are getting spanked

Yes.

[auf Deutsch]

Instead of or between M2 and M3/4 drivers, I see middle fingers as the form of acknowledging one another's presence

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Happy reading!

I always take C/D reviews with a grain of salt, considering they seem to pour a lot of hate against BMW. For example, the writer says he's in love with the manual saying it "brilliantly matches revs on downshifts"!!!! As a manual lover I would hate this automatic feature as I believe rev matching is a learned art not something that should be given. Then he says that the steering does not communicate when the car loses traction... Well, a lot of reviewers give good praise on the M2's steering, saying it was a little mute at worst... C/D seem to love Audi's and don't seem to mention their steering in most reviews even though most of them are really bad! Also about their measured performance, they don't provide important info as where it is measured (do they do it in the same facility as other cars for consistency) and in what kind of weather conditions. For example a grippy asphalt will result in better acceleration, cornering and braking results... Anyway, their conclusion that the M2 is similar to the M4 is wrong as all other reviews say the M2 has a character of its own and has a sweeter balance (less snappy) than the M4

How do they pour a lot of hate against BMW when the M3 has always been on their top 10 list? In fact, in the last people accused, C&D, R&T, MT, Automobile of being BMW shills. People come up with all types of excuses. Are you referring to the picking of the ATS as a better handling car?

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It is also funny reading how some M2 fanboys are delusional .

0-60mph is a pointless metric as is it significantly impacted by launch traction. When you look at higher speeds (above 60mph), that is where the M4 starts pulling away from the M2. A full second to 100mph and almost 3 seconds to 130mph. That is quite significant. The same way an M5 starts pulling away from an M4. See my earlier post.

Bringing a $500 tune in the equation is pointless. Put the same $500 tune on the M4 and it gains an even greater advantage.

The M2 is a great car that is extremely competitive in its market segment. So far, it seems to offer a great driving experience and I can't wait to test drive one. It probably offers a very different overall experience (not only driving) than the M4. Some will prefer the M2, others the M4 and others the M6 for different reasons. Let's just celebrate the fact that BMW is making such great options for us to choose .

Hey man I'm with you. Totally agree. I'm not a fanboy of either car. I was more so referring to the extremely rude gentlemen bashing the M2 for being slower to 60 and 1/4 mile.

[DrKevM5]

Lots of F80 butt hurt here...

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Every single review so far has said it has its own character that's different that the M4's.

C&D did say...consider it a shrunken M4. They did say skip the M4 and save your money. That's because they are very similar.

I'm sure it does have a bit different character (wheelbase alone with do that).

That being said, it's still shares most of its chassis with the F80, as well as most of it's drivetrain, suspension and steering. It's going to be very similar in many regards.

It's much the same as the E82 was vs. the E90.

We didn't get a return to roots car. Some of us where thinking turbo 4, drastic weight loss (which I guess was never realistic, as they would have had to have moved it off the F series platform). A more focused car.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

Lots of F80 butt hurt here...

Your M5 can hurt my butt here....

[IEDEI]

i really enjoyed this part the most.

On long, winding esses, our thoughts wandered back to the late 1-series M, the M2’s predecessor. That little car still represents the best of BMW, a standard-bearer of the BMWs we knew and fell hard for before electrically assisted power steering.



hello!!

[swagon]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i really enjoyed this part the most.

On long, winding esses, our thoughts wandered back to the late 1-series M, the M2’s predecessor. That little car still represents the best of BMW, a standard-bearer of the BMWs we knew and fell hard for before electrically assisted power steering.



hello!!

Oh, look who woke up.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by swagon

Oh, look who woke up.

Yep... I was wondering where he had gone.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

How do they pour a lot of hate against BMW when the M3 has always been on their top 10 list? In fact, in the last people accused, C&D, R&T, MT, Automobile of being BMW shills. People come up with all types of excuses. Are you referring to the picking of the ATS as a better handling car?

Well, it's not the M3 that's been on their top-10 for so long, but rather the entire 3-series line-up. The sad thing is that C&D have now dropped the 3-series from their top-10. C&D might have been long time lovers of the BMW (BMW often winning comparos on C&D), I believe it is no longer the case. They don't seem to like the recent direction BMW has taken.

For them to give high praise to the M2 is a step in the right direction.

[Verbiage]

Well, the 235i seems to have replaced the 3 series on that list, although they didn't choose the entire 2 series lineup as opposed to the 3, as they once did.

It'll be a sad day if a BMW doesn't grace that list, eventually.


In general, I think the car is a breath of fresh air for more reasons than one.

[135iDCT]

Has anyone noticed that the turbo boost is 14.5 psi from borgwarner turbo??

so the turbo isn't the same as 235m

it's the same turbo in the cla45 amg!

so the turbo can handle high boost easy 20+ psi

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i really enjoyed this part the most.

On long, winding esses, our thoughts wandered back to the late 1-series M, the M2’s predecessor. That little car still represents the best of BMW, a standard-bearer of the BMWs we knew and fell hard for before electrically assisted power steering.



hello!!

So you served your sentence. Please realize your probation stipulates that, under no circumstances shall you deepthroat your beloved 1M in the presence of any forum member. Welcome back. Your completely biased viewpoints make for good online entertainment

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

Well, the 235i seems to have replaced the 3 series on that list, although they didn't choose the entire 2 series lineup as opposed to the 3, as they once did.

It'll be a sad day if a BMW doesn't grace that list, eventually.


In general, I think the car is a breath of fresh air for more reasons than one.

I agree. The 2-series is probably closer in spirit to what the 3-series once was.

I remember seeing a comparison where the F3X 3-series was borderline bigger than the E39 5-series .

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by 135iDCT

it's the same turbo in the cla45 amg

Why do you say that?

[ashburyn54]

Originally Posted by 135iDCT

Has anyone noticed that the turbo boost is 14.5 psi from borgwarner turbo??

so the turbo isn't the same as 235m

it's the same turbo in the cla45 amg!

so the turbo can handle high boost easy 20+ psi

The m235i and a lot of n55 turbos are Borgwarner units. Basically the EFR line but smaller

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I remember seeing a comparison where the F3X 3-series was borderline bigger than the E39 5-series .

I believe it!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Well, it's not the M3 that's been on their top-10 for so long, but rather the entire 3-series line-up. The sad thing is that C&D have now dropped the 3-series from their top-10. C&D might have been long time lovers of the BMW (BMW often winning comparos on C&D), I believe it is no longer the case. They don't seem to like the recent direction BMW has taken.

For them to give high praise to the M2 is a step in the right direction.

I remember buying these mags from the mid 90s to the mid 2000s. And it was always the M3 on their top 10 list. "M3, M3, M3", sure they highlighted the rest of the 3 series line. But, it was always the M3. And yes, they even joked that people thought they were getting paid off by BMW.

And who can blame them in not liking BMW's current direction. It seems that Cadillac is making the cars that BMW used to make. But due to a bit of perception, lack of marketing, and brand snobbery, many in the German and BMW fold either don't want to here it, recognize it, or try it. Even MT suggests that the ATS-V and C63 are better options than then M3 sedan. And that is sacrilegious in BMW land (and MT land).

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i really enjoyed this part the most.

On long, winding esses, our thoughts wandered back to the late 1-series M, the M2’s predecessor. That little car still represents the best of BMW, a standard-bearer of the BMWs we knew and fell hard for before electrically assisted power steering.



hello!!

Yes, that part was good. I also enjoyed this article, quoting a guy who clearly had no idea what he was talking about

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/160...-mad-1m-flaws/