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In the short term, no. But long term, it does serve their interest because it will allow us to begin ordering enough inventories and stocking enough inventories to both lower the price and maintain enough inventory to meet demand.
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I am not at all in favor of win/lose pricing strategies, on either side... but what's good for GM turned out not to be good for America. |
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02-25-2010, 06:48 PM | #92 | |
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Sell 10 - how many customers come back? Sell 100 - how many customers come back.? |
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02-25-2010, 07:34 PM | #93 | |
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But otherwise I'm in agreement. We HAVE gotten significant extra working capital which we ARE using to improve inventories -- and it's helped tremendously, but demand is just way higher than we ever anticipated. In this capital market it's a long uphill battle to get outside money to grow a business. We're doing what we can to obtain it, but in the meantime, the next best thing is generating it internally. |
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02-26-2010, 10:11 AM | #94 |
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Damn, I feel like I'm back in college, reading this thread. Both business classes and arguing about bullshit not completely mastered in the student union building.
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02-26-2010, 11:21 AM | #95 | |
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There is much better equipment out there. Maybe a little more work but worth the effort. It is a relatively expensive car, worth it to do it right. The system will sound worlds better with Quality Brand Name Speakers and a aftermarket amp anyway. Dont see why someone would want to use the sub par OEM amp and no spec equipment. Not to mention the, we keep it expensive for the customers benefit sales pitch. Just this mans opinion, of course. |
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02-26-2010, 12:33 PM | #96 |
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Whew! Just to break the tension (ok, reasonable discussion of business economics vs "can we get a cheaper price"...), let me give my saga of installing the stage 1 upgrade in my 135 coupe:
Reviewed the video. Good video, but like many times when the rubber meets the road in any process what looks pretty easy, a few curves arise. Opened the box(es). Very well packed. Front and rear tweeters. Front and rear mids. All padded and wrapped in plastic. Looks to be quality stuff. Lets do the rear deck first-seems easy. Issue arose here with getting the grills off. The side tabs are very fragile. I was very careful and used plastic trim tools (these are a must anytime working inside the car) and still the side tabs broke (3 of 4!). OEM speakers out and BSW in. The oem tweeters are directional (pointing forward) and the BSW tweeters mount flat. Doubt if that is an issue in a 1 cabin. The mids seem to have the same size magnet, but look to be polypropylene vs paper cones. All plug and play. When I reinstalled the grills, they fit flush and looked fine, but I gently thumped the rear deck and there was a hint the grills might not be as tight (only 4 of 6 tabs holding them now) and the last thing I wanted was vibration, so I put a couple of pieces of 3m trim tape btw the grill and deck and they didn't move (I will likely order a new pair of grills as I am obsessive, but maybe not-looks fine and no movement). Next to the doors. As always patience is important when pulling on trim to remove (that and plastic tools). In the video, the guy says that the 1 series is "well made and the panels are tight"-quite the understatement. I have put a few systems in cars over the years and pulled door panels, but those were the hardest f#@$&*** ever! (you need several trim tools to get an edge started and then pull like a mf while trying to be gentle-LOL). Here there is big difference btw the oem and BSW mids (the oem magnet is about 1 inch in diameter!). The only criticism I have with the tweeter install is when you remove the oem tweeter which is in a plastic trim ring and replace with the BSW (all aluminum) is that there is potential for rattling, so I placed sticky sided foam around the mounting surface of the tweeter-no chance for vibration and rattling. Again, all plug and play (no chance for doing it wrong as the plugs are specific). Another note here: I didn't seem much reason to cut little pieces of sound deadener (the door panel is very solid with reinforcing ribs which if very different from the typical panel I've seen), so I installed everything with the door panel resting on a box (didn't disconnect the control rod, etc) next to the door. Everything went back together easy and tight. Therefore, regarding the install I would not use a sharp pick as noted (use a small screwdriver)-too sharp and high probability of damaging the plastic (no, I didn't ) and make sure you have several trim tools. Be prepared to break the side tabs on the back deck grills unless you are lucky (or I was not). Now, fire it up and see if there is any difference. I grabbed a cd of the grammy nominees (this year)-a eclectic mix, mostly vocal, but dave mathews and eric clapton, so some variation. I also had my IPOD in the car but those downloads are limited sonically but I compared them as well. I would say there is significant improvement. Sharper highs and rolls off to the mids nicely. Very distinct and clear. I suppose the bottom end still is the weak link, but plenty enough for me and my listening (with the base set at flat). Overall, money well spent. I think it is a viable way to get a decent upgrade, remain stock in appearance and no surgery to the system. Unbiased opinion. TIFWIW. |
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02-26-2010, 02:07 PM | #97 | |
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Regarding the price, as I've said again and again -- we think the value of the product is superb at it's current price, and so do many other people, which is part of why we can't keep product in stock. We WANT to lower the price, but can't because we would run out of product much more quickly and be unable to replenish with as much inventory, causing even more chronic backorder problems. It makes very little sense for us to drop pricing both for our business and customers in long-term. |
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02-26-2010, 02:39 PM | #98 |
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This is a public forum and not just a cheerleading forum for your company and at least one of your shills(OP). Sure you would love to have it where every post is a positive one but this is the real world. There are many different opinions voiced by all. Im entitled to my personal opinion whether you like it or not. PERIOD.
My post states 1- there is better equipment out there which perform better with an aftermarket more powerful amp. I would love to see a test of yours v. JL, Morel, Focal... 2- no spec speakers. Sorry but I wont eat food that refuses to disclose its ingedients and the same holds true for audio equipment. I want cold, hard #'s. You can go on any website and in a NY minute pull up any Major Brand Name Audio pieces and have all the data lined up. To not do so, smells of snake oil sales to me. Regardless of the reason given. I dont have to hear your product to reach the conclusions I stated. But as you know even the largest, most popular Companys have people who aren't fans of theirs and won't touch their product. Please dont take this personally. |
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But you're entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately your previous post was phrased as fact despite your disclaimer it was an opinion. Quote:
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02-26-2010, 03:21 PM | #100 |
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Yes, reviews are done on products but it is fairly stated in the review and as far as I know they dont get to keep the cars! Thats the big difference. You really have a talent with putting a spin on something. Unlike the OP who made NO mention of getting the system for free. It was exposed later on. That is dishonest and borders on fraud. I think I see a pattern here. You also talk about "accuracy and clarity". This coming from somebody who insists on keeping his stuff shrouded and in the dark. Now thats irony at its best! You obviously dont know the defintion of the word shill.
----------------------------------- Heres something to read, taken from Wiki-In marketing, shills are often employed to assume the air of satisfied customers and give testimonials to the merits of a given product. This type of shilling is illegal in some jurisdictions but almost impossible to detect. It may be considered a form of unjust enrichment or unfair competition, as in California's Business & Professions Code § 17200, which prohibits "unfair or fraudulent business act[s] or practice[s] and unfair, deceptive, untrue or misleading advertising". This applys to free products and services. Last edited by NYC6; 02-26-2010 at 03:34 PM.. |
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02-26-2010, 03:46 PM | #101 |
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Lets leave the reviews to those who actually have the products! :Cheers:
Man is it just me or there has been a lot of negativity in the commercial section... First it was the iCarbon thread and now this... |
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Just to refresh memories here. This is the OP and several he made after. Even with several members seeing red flags we have no admission of getting free equipment and services, thats odd. Intereting.
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He wrote it with ZERO input from us. Yes, it was an oversight on our part that we didn't ask him to describe the circumstances under which the product was received, but it was NOT our intent to deceive anyone, nor did he receive the product explicity for a review. Here's the email chain between Jason (who was his contact and who put the product in the car) and the customer since I know you won't believe me otherwise: Quote:
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02-26-2010, 03:59 PM | #104 |
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I am not reviewing a product. I offered my opinion totally unrelated to a review. A Forum is an exchange of ideas and opinions. Sometimes they differ and debate results. Debate is a healthy form of communication.
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02-26-2010, 04:33 PM | #105 |
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Sorry if I misunderstood but it sure does sound like you are giving your opinion about their product and their company when you haven't dealt with them or tried their product...
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If you go back to page 1 you'll see I was concerned about the lack of specs and called for some "ACCURACY AND CLARITY" to which I recieved a song and dance as to why they wont be disclosed. A reputable Speaker Co. gives those numbers. And more importantly addressed the issue that the OP's post seemed....."questionable" to say the least, which in fact after some light was shed upon it was indeed the case. I think these are things we should know as consumers. Im sorry you disagree. |
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You lost me when you compared Hitler to an audio system... No worries though, not here to discuss world history or cats for dinner just about cars! GL man! |
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