Autocar 1M review online

[rs_philly]

on 1M vs 335is, the latter is 320hp and 332lb-ft whereas the 1M is 335 hp and 369 lb-ft, so thats 15 hp and 37lb-ft more - definitely not the "same" engine. its also 300+lbs lighter than the 335is. so it will be a good deal faster than the 335is. still not faster than the m3 if you are drag racing, but with 369 lb-ft, definitely quicker for everyday driving. and with better handling than the m3 (same suspension, less weight, shorter wheelbase), it will be faster on certain tracks too. I think thats what the review is trying to say.

[BrokenVert]

^you can quote overboost numbers on the M and not on the IS...which also has overboost.

And peak numbers mean next to nothing, the integral of the power and torque curves means everything.

[rs_philly]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

^you can quote overboost numbers on the M and not on the IS...which also has overboost.

And peak numbers mean next to nothing, the integral of the power and torque curves means everything.

i wasn't aware the is has over boost. if it does, its the same torque, but still 15 less hp. and the most important factor - weight! so maybe its not dramatically faster, but still decently faster.

and the 335is still doesn't have the M3/1M suspension. don't get me wrong, I like the 335is a lot, it just isnt the same performance/handling wise as a 1M, because of the common sense reasons I outlined above.

[MrRoboto]

^^^What about the lighter flywheel, sharpened throttle response through M-Button, LSD, etc?

The 335is is not an M car. Lots of differences.

[cc3]

I have just read the full article in Autocar. If someone can scan it answers a few questions. Such as the 1m has a different inlet manifold and exhaust to the Z4s. Also it gives an interesting insight to what is clearly going to be a great car. Quicker in gear acceleration than M3 etc.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by gaz26

I have just read the full article in Autocar. If someone can scan it answers a few questions. Such as the 1m has a different inlet manifold and exhaust to the Z4s. Also it gives an interesting insight to what is clearly going to be a great car. Quicker in gear acceleration than M3 etc.

Is that on the shelves now?

[cc3]

Yes its 3 good pages. The on line version I read is a short summary.

[Red Bread]

Not to beat a dead horse further, but regardless of intake, exhaust and possibly programming, it's unavoidable that this is not an M motor, simply the same lump from the 335is and Z4 35si.

Nothing wrong with that, the rest is clearly M derived. Hell, my M Coupe with the lame S52b32US is still my favorite car.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by gaz26

Yes its 3 good pages. The on line version I read is a short summary.

Is the full article still the first drive by Greg Kable?

You're not a subscriber are you?

[cc3]

Yes it's the full article. I get the mag delivered every week. 50-75mph m1 0.6 secs quicker than m3 "it certainly feels quicker off the line than BMW's figures - much quicker. " it wouldn't look good for the1 to have official figures quicker than m3" "even at 7000 rpm in 6th it's still pulling with all the force of a naturally aspirated engine and unusually for a turbo the exhaust note keeps getting better the more revs pile on"

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by gaz26

"even at 7000 rpm in 6th it's still pulling with all the force of a naturally aspirated engine and unusually for a turbo the exhaust note keeps getting better the more revs pile on"

Did they really say that?

So they got it up to 200mph?

Maybe they meant even at 7k rpm and also in 6th?

[1Mer]

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

Did they really say that?

So they got it up to 200mph?

Maybe they meant even at 7k rpm and also in 6th?

200mph - that's faster than an M3, isn't it?

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by 1Mer

200mph - that's faster than an M3, isn't it?

Yeah, I think the M3 is only geared for 195mph

[Pauldramos]

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

Yeah, I think the M3 is only geared for 195mph

Top speed is 155! lol!!!

[cc3]

That's what the article says.

[T1T2GRE]

with the relentless bickering about the M3 versus the 1M. Comparing apples and oranges. They are different machines built with different tasks and buyers in mind.

I don't want an M3. As an old E30 and E21 fan, I was hoping for something light and maneuverable to come back. It seems there is hope after all with the 1M. I have little interest in the morbidly obese M6 and the E9X M3s. They're great vehicles for what they are, but...

Probably 95% of the people who purchase these vehicles will never, ever go to the track, so a vehicle that handles well and resembles a go-kart on steroids is a hella fun on average roads. There's plenty of cars that would destroy my uncle's TVR Tuscan 0-60, or around the 'Ring, etc. but that car is a blast to drive.

Enough with the comparos between the M3 and the 1M. Sheesh. WGAS...



/rant

[ns2000x]

Originally Posted by T1T2GRE

with the relentless bickering about the M3 versus the 1M. Comparing apples and oranges. They are different machines built with different tasks and buyers in mind.

I don't want an M3. As an old E30 and E21 fan, I was hoping for something light and maneuverable to come back. It seems there is hope after all with the 1M. I have little interest in the morbidly obese M6 and the E9X M3s. They're great vehicles for what they are, but...

Probably 95% of the people who purchase these vehicles will never, ever go to the track, so a vehicle that handles well and resembles a go-kart on steroids is a hella fun on average roads. There's plenty of cars that would destroy my uncle's TVR Tuscan 0-60, or around the 'Ring, etc. but that car is a blast to drive.

Enough with the comparos between the M3 and the 1M. Sheesh. WGAS...



/rant

My point exactly.
It is annoying that all the magazines seem interested in writing about is a comparison that's been beaten to death, and isn't all that pertinent. I haven't read a single M5 preview article that compares the prototype to the M3 sedan. So why all this 1M M3 335is crap?

[1Mer]

European sarcasm too much for you?

[ns2000x]

Originally Posted by 1Mer

European sarcasm too much for you?

Quote button too much for you?

[I'm British also]

[1Mer]

Originally Posted by ns2000x

Quote button too much for you?

[I'm British also]

I wondered what that was for!

Anyway, back on topic, I keep checking this thread hoping someone will post a scanned copy of the full Autocar magazine article? (hint, hint..)

[Madozu]

Originally Posted by 1Mer

I wondered what that was for!

Anyway, back on topic, I keep checking this thread hoping someone will post a scanned copy of the full Autocar magazine article? (hint, hint..)

+1

This mag is not too common in Switzerland

[cc3]

More quotes from Autocar
"to really succeed the 1M needs to deliver on the handling front and first impressions are overwhelmingly positive" '1 deceptively fast possessing the sort of grip to carry big speeds with true authority while providing feedback you wont fond in any rival RS3 included'

'At virtually any speed whether a mere 30mph crawl in city traffic or an eye widening 130mph on the autobahn- added pace can always be relled upon with a simple flexing of the right foot. There is no lag just a wonderful linear flow of brawn'

And yeas it says ' When we reached 7000 rpm in 6th it is still pulling"

'Brakes are monstrously powerful"

whipcrack '12.4:1 gearing providing the 1M with the sort of off center sharpness that will surprise more than a few buyers'

'turns in far more eagerly than 135i and as lateral forces build it continues to track faithfully allowing you to correct your line with small adjustments"