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      10-13-2009, 10:15 PM   #111
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They should do this to the Z4 BTW. That would be something...
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      10-13-2009, 10:18 PM   #112
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Surely this will have the 7 speed DCT with all the BMW Performance Range goodies plus a few visual cues.... flared guards etc. I can't wait to see it!!
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      10-13-2009, 10:55 PM   #113
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I'm consulting a BMW store currently, and have been told by the GM that a tri-turbo 4 cylinder is in the work for the 1er.
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      10-13-2009, 11:12 PM   #114
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      10-13-2009, 11:55 PM   #115
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I wouldnt be surprised if this car comes with a turbo 4 banger. My lease will be ending right about the time this comes out too. Unfortunately, I doubt it will make it to the US shores.
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      10-14-2009, 12:30 AM   #116
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That definitely looks like a M bred 1er. I hope it gets P GT3 Esque treatment. Meaning no back seats, bmw performance seats in the front standard, and alcantara heaven. That would be sexyyyyy
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      10-14-2009, 12:34 AM   #117
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You can't be serious with this- and part of the reason I rarely post anymore. The ///M3 is a different vehicle from a 335, it is built more substantially than a 335i, in fact they are not even in the same league unless you want to go fast straight. Did you notice that the engine in the ///M3 is a V8, and that the ///M3 has a very substantial rear differential and larger wheels and brakes and a whole lot more? The cars share very little. I am not going to make this into a 335 vs ///M3 debate as it is not the point of this thread and not worth my time but that comment alone shows why some "enthusiasts" really should look a bit more into what they are trying to argue. It is like the BMW does not know turbo debate- BMW built some of the best turbos ever- from street to F1- look it up.

My source for the roof savings would be be the engineers at BMW ///M and materials do you want their names? It is between 11 and 20lbs less for a CF to a steel one (I have been given 2 numbers- early to late and not sure) and about 45 for one with a sunroof.
maybe this Link helps in the whole discussion
http://de.bmwfans.info/parts/catalog...bodywork/roof/

Carbon Roof: 4.42kg
Metail Roof: 10.25kg (withhout the sunroof)
Sunroof: 5.6 + 6.05 + 1.2 = 12.85 kg

So in total:
Carbon Roof 4.42 vs metal roof with sunroof 23.1kg
Difference: 18.68kg = 41.18 lbs
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      10-14-2009, 01:30 AM   #118
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maybe this Link helps in the whole discussion
http://de.bmwfans.info/parts/catalog...bodywork/roof/

Carbon Roof: 4.42kg
Metail Roof: 10.25kg (withhout the sunroof)
Sunroof: 5.6 + 6.05 + 1.2 = 12.85 kg

So in total:
Carbon Roof 4.42 vs metal roof with sunroof 23.1kg
Difference: 18.68kg = 41.18 lbs
You are definitely onto something there Marcel B. Do you know what any of it says? We need a translator... anyone?
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      10-14-2009, 01:37 AM   #119
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Interesting, I post this article and then they swap it with Marcel's and keep the same comments?
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      10-14-2009, 01:54 AM   #120
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You are definitely onto something there Marcel B. Do you know what any of it says? We need a translator... anyone?
The site is also in English
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/

It contains all partnumbers (incl weight) off all BMW and is usable when you want to reduce weight from your car by replacing components
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      10-14-2009, 02:48 AM   #121
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Interesting, but don't you think BMW is already working on the next 1 serie generation? In this case, this car would be a prototype to test new chassis and new engine for a potential futur 1M (with the new body).

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      10-14-2009, 03:03 AM   #122
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Either or, there is now hope for a M for a 1er. I certainly like the idea of relaunching the M coupe name for the 1er M. Initial thought is that it would be an upgraded N54 engine, MDCT, non-RFT, upgraded suspension, exhaust and brakes, and of course the CF roof. But, if they have a turbo 4 already ready to go, and launching it in the Z4, there is no reason why they would not launch it in the 1er. There are still 2 years left of the current 1er, and for it to stay competitive against other makes, it really needs to have a M car there.

A triturbo that have boost up to 8000 rpm?
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      10-14-2009, 03:58 AM   #123
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FYI: The N54 will be discontinued in the new 1/3 Series.
2012 will bring 4 cylinders to the US.
The tri-turbo is most likely a Diesel.
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      10-14-2009, 04:01 AM   #124
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Someone told me about this link

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10910132...ototype-caught

So it could be a 4WD test mule... All rumours I know
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      10-14-2009, 06:15 AM   #125
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Interesting, but don't you think BMW is already working on the next 1 serie generation? In this case, this car would be a prototype to test new chassis and new engine for a potential futur 1M (with the new body).

Cheers.
They are working on it, but do not need to test the chassis with a coupe. The coupe will be here for a while still and the sheet metal can be easily adapted.
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FYI: The N54 will be discontinued in the new 1/3 Series. 2012 will bring 4 cylinders to the US. The tri-turbo is most likely a Diesel.
You will see the new I6 N55 motor well before then in the 5 and X5. A 4 Cylinder should debut in the X1 (we are hearing).
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Someone told me about this link

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10910132...ototype-caught

So it could be a 4WD test mule... All rumours I know
As has been stated before- there is no need for a CF roof, larger wheels and rotors to test xDrive- This car was caught outside of ///M in Garching- there is 0 chance this is testing AWD.
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      10-14-2009, 06:19 AM   #126
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maybe this Link helps in the whole discussion
http://de.bmwfans.info/parts/catalog...bodywork/roof/

Carbon Roof: 4.42kg
Metail Roof: 10.25kg (withhout the sunroof)
Sunroof: 5.6 + 6.05 + 1.2 = 12.85 kg

So in total:
Carbon Roof 4.42 vs metal roof with sunroof 23.1kg
Difference: 18.68kg = 41.18 lbs
Thanks- for the support. Since I "arbitrarily" created the numbers ... The newer CF roofs will be lighter as well since there have been advances in the resins.


The fun weight number to look at is in the seats and how much they can save there- it is amazing how heavy the power seats are.

all the best,

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Thanks- for the support. Since I "arbitrarily" created the numbers ... The newer CF roofs will be lighter as well since there have been advances in the resins.


The fun weight number to look at is in the seats and how much they can save there- it is amazing how heavy the power seats are.

all the best,

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Look at the wheels with runflat ...

wheels and seats are the 2 biggest (and easiest) weightsavers. (a lightweight battery as well, if you are willing to take the risk )
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      10-14-2009, 08:21 AM   #128
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If this is an M car, can't wait to test drive it! PocketrocketFTW!
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      10-14-2009, 08:33 AM   #129
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OK, someone explain to me how a tri-turbo 4-cylinder is going to work and be efficient....
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      10-14-2009, 09:19 AM   #130
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You will see the new I6 N55 motor well before then in the 5 and X5.
Is it sure that the N55 will replace the N54 throughout the BMW model range?


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      10-14-2009, 09:35 AM   #131
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Is it sure that the N55 will replace the N54 throughout the BMW model range?


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in new(er) models yes, in the current 3 series and 1 series I doubt...
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Let's give it a stab - The four cylinder crank is a single plane crank with cylinders 2 & 3 throw's being 180 degrees out of cylinders 1 & 4 throw's.

Firing Sequence is generally either 1-3-4-2 or 1-2-4-3. If it's the later then a small turbo is coupled to 1 &2 and another to 4 & 3.

Output from those two turbos would provide boost quickly at low load/RPM. A third larger turbo (fed from the output of the two smaller turbos or fed by bypassing the two smaller turbos) would handle the higher RPM boost requirements. That's just my guess.

However, if this is to be a high RPM motor (say 8K + RPM) then it probably won't be direct injected. And some fans of the HPFP are giving a sigh of relief with that factoid. ; -)
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