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      03-17-2016, 01:01 PM   #45
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OK, here's my question: I have a '13 135i and the Cobb, as far as I know, does not work on the 2013 DME's; they supposedly have different encryption???

Is there any way to code off the nannies on a 2013?
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Yes. Coding modules on your car and flashing the DME are two different things. You can code your car.
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What is the necessary hardware to code the modules off? Cobb AP? Or can you do it with something simpler + a laptop?
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Ap has nothing to do with coding. You have a lot of reading to do. Look at the coding forum on e90post or check out b m w c o d I n g dot com.
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      04-13-2016, 01:10 PM   #49
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Any updates from folks on the brake params and what they are on an N52 128? Still trying to figure this stuff out, the shop who's done my other coding can't find the params (other than brake fade compensation, and diff lock). I'll happily toss some cash to whoever can get me an answer to this...
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      04-16-2016, 11:52 AM   #50
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Not finding any shops locally (Colorado) that use NCS/INPA.

Has anyone used a remote coding service that they could recommend.

I reached out to c o d e my c a r DOT com, which I found on craigslists, about the DSC programs but haven't heard back.

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      04-17-2016, 04:26 PM   #51
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Join BMWCCA for $48. Rocky Mountain Chapter, Denver CO. I bet they have all kinds of members who could answer your questions.
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I really want to find a way to disable the brake pre-tensioning on the 128. Everything else is just a bonus, but that is *obnoxious* for motorsport applications.
Ryan,

I pretty certain that COF_BB_RAB wert_00 is the active state for Braking Readiness. my June'13 production 135is has it set that way and it definitely has it active.

wert_00 is the other existing parameter in the COF map it is for "4zyl" 4 cylinder models. -- I'd assume it turns RAB off. Does anyone know for sure?

I found this 2005 press release from conti on the MK60 module
Quote:
"Ground-Breaking Technologies for Optimum Safety, Outstanding Comfort and Maximum Driving Pleasure"

Hill Start Assist (HSA)
...
Rain Brake Support (RBS)
...
Ready Alert Brake (RAB)
Drivers need time to move their foot from the gas to the brake pedal, and
hydraulic systems need time to build up brake pressure. In an emergency these
fractions of a second can make all the difference between a safe stop and a
collision. The MK60 E5 brake system reduces delay by building up pressure in
the brake system in advance. If the electronic control system recognizes that
the driver has lifted off the gas pedal quickly, it begins pre-loading the
brake system. Any brake commands received in the next few seconds are carried
out with no delay. If the brakes are not applied, the pressure is simply
released again.

Soft Stop Assist (SSA)
...
BBV: Monitors Brake Pad Wear
...
Fading Brake Support
in the MK60_87.COF map _AFH_HSA is the same HSA as above and _BBV_KOOR_VA also matches the BBV pad wear, so I suspect BB_RAB is the RAB as above.

SSA above is _SST in the e87.C0F map.

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MK60 TRC from my June'13 build 135is 6MT, without active steering.
Code:
SZL
	wert_02
C0X_C8
	wert_02
C0F_AFH_HSA
	wert_01
C0F_AFS
	wert_00
C0F_ASC_AMR_STB
	wert_03
C0F_ASC_BMR_STB
	wert_01
C0F_ASL
	wert_00
C0F_BAUART
	wert_02
C0F_BB_RAB
	wert_01
C0F_BBV
	wert_00
C0F_BBV_KORR_HA
	wert_02
C0F_BBV_KORR_VA
	wert_02
C0F_BERGAB_GERASTET
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_BERGAB_KENNEN
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_BERGABANSATZ
	wert_00
C0F_BTM
	wert_00
C0F_CBC
	wert_00
C0F_CF_ESM_HB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_CF_ESM_LB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_CR_ESM_HB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_CR_ESM_LB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_DBC_MIN_AUSLOESEDRUCK
	wert_00
C0F_DCC_C_AAT
	wert_00
C0F_DCC_C_ATT_SCHUB_AUS
	wert_00
C0F_DCC_C_ATT_SCHUB_EIN
	wert_00
C0F_DCC_DTC
	wert_00
C0F_DELTA_PSI_BETA_LIMIT
	wert_01
C0F_DF_DIR
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_DIFF_LOCK
	wert_02
C0F_DRUCKMODELL_HA
	wert_05
C0F_DRUCKMODELL_VA
	wert_06
C0F_ECBA_DCC
	wert_00
C0F_FBS
	wert_01
C0F_FLR
	wert_01
C0F_GETRIEBE
	wert_00
C0F_GMB
	wert_00
C0F_GMK_ECBA_HA
	wert_02
C0F_GMK_ECBA_VA
	wert_00
	wert_05
C0F_GMR_MAX_LIMIT_SCHRAEG
	wert_00
C0F_GMR_MIN_LIMIT_SCHRAEG
	wert_00
C0F_HSA
	wert_11
C0F_HSA_AFH_AFU
	wert_00
C0F_IPM_MAX_P_RES
	wert_00
C0F_KUEHLSCHACHT
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LCL
	wert_00
C0F_LENKWINKELKENNLINIE
	wert_03
C0F_LF_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LR_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LUEFTER
	wert_00
C0F_LWK_X2
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_X3
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_X4
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_Y1
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_Y2
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_Y3
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_LWK_Y4
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_M_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_MIN_DRUCKAUFBAU_GRAD
	wert_00
C0F_MOTOR
	wert_07
C0F_MOTOR_LEISTUNG_MAX
	wert_00
	wert_18
C0F_MOTOR_SCHLEPP_P
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_PRE_MSR
	wert_00
C0F_PRE_USC
	wert_00
C0F_RPA
	wert_01
C0F_RPA_SCHWELLE
	wert_00
	wert_02
C0F_SC_X_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_SC_Y_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_SCHUBABSCHALTUNG
	wert_00
C0F_SDR_CTC
	wert_00
C0F_SETZ_V_MAX
	wert_00
C0F_SPURWEITE
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_SST
	wert_00
C0F_TB_BDD
	wert_01
C0F_THETA_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0F_UEBERSTEUERN_MUE_0
	wert_04
C0F_UEBERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2
	wert_05
C0F_UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_0
	wert_00
C0F_UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2
	wert_00
C0F_UNTERSTEUERSCHWELLE
	wert_01
C0F_V_EINHEIT
	wert_00
C0F_VERZOEG_NEG_FEIN
	wert_00
C0F_VERZOEG_NEG_GROB
	wert_00
C0F_VERZOEG_POS_FEIN
	wert_00
C0F_VERZOEG_POS_GROB
	wert_00
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      05-02-2016, 06:48 PM   #54
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If you pop the pins for the DSC/ABS connection to the DME all the nannies will be defeated as the DSC module ceases to do anything. That's how the shop preps their racecars to have ABS only. No coding necessary other than to turn off the lights on the dash. They'll be doing this to my car before it leaves the shop. FYI
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I can't find any code related to several of the items OP mentions he found in his DSC module for his X1. Maybe the 128i actually doesn't have a lot of these electronic nannies? I'll be waiting to hear back if anyone finds them in another module or something, but here is what I was able to find/change:


Electronic Differential
Code:
STOCK:
C0F_DIFF_LOCK
	wert_02

Brake Fading Compensation (FBS)
Code:
STOCK:
C0F_FBS
        wert_01

Coded Off?:
C0F_FBS
	wert_00

Engine Power Reduction to Prevent Brake Disc Overheating (FLR)
Code:
STOCK:
C0F_FLR
          wert_01

Coded Off?:
C0F_FLR
	  wert_00
	  wert_02
I can confirm the same for the 135i, which seems to only have DIFF_LOCK, HPS, and FLR. The other four modules were not found. And just to note, my module codes begin with C0C instead. As bNks334 found, Brake Fading Compensation in my car is denoted as "FBS" instead of "HPS".
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I can confirm the same for the 135i, which seems to only have DIFF_LOCK, HPS, and FLR. The other four modules were not found. And just to note, my module codes begin with C0C instead. As bNks334 found, Brake Fading Compensation in my car is denoted as "FBS" instead of "HPS".
It looks like YarkoDrives pointed out that "Brake Standby (e84_EVB)" is called "Ready Alert Brake (C0F_BB_RAB)" on an E82. RyanDavies

I actually don't mind having it enabled though. I've lifted from the gas in panic situations on the street and it's a welcomed surprise to have a pre-tensioned brake. On track, many drivers give the brakes a quick tap to pre-tension the brakes prior to a corner anyway...

HSA, SSA, and BBV are good parameters to know about, but they will not effect the car on track. Did you notice anything that matches RBS (rain brake assist)? I think I saw a similar description in NCSDummy, but I don't remember for sure. I think it was called "brake drying?"

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Looking at a DSC fault report, the following items are worth looking into for the people looking to alter the level of intervention of DSC/ASC:

5E20 5E20 - pressure sensor 1 electrical faulty.
Error counter: 9
Logistic counter: 40
Mileage 109240 km
Vehicle speed 117.00 km/h
Brake light switch 0.00 0/1
switch brake fluid level 0.00 0/1
ASC/DSC_aktive (status of ASC/DSC_switch) 1.00 0/1
brake pressure identified 0.00 0/1
ABS-active 0.00 0/1
ASC-active (BMR) 0.00 0/1 (Braking torque control - C0F_ASC_BMR_STB)
ASC-active (AMR) 0.00 0/1 (Drive torque control - C0F_ASC_AMR_STB)
GMR-active (GMR) 0.00 0/1 (Mixture regulator - C0F_GMR_MAX_LIMIT_SCHRAEG and C0F_GMR_MIN_LIMIT_SCHRAEG) Throttle tilt?
GMR-active (MMR) 0.00 0/1 ( Yaw moment control)
CBC-active 0.00 0/1 (N/A to 128i?)
MSR-active 0.00 0/1 (Engine drag torque control, usually proper name - C0F_PRE_MSR)
TDR-active 0.00 0/1
SDR-active 0.00 0/1
DBC-active 0.00 0/1 (Dynamic brake control - C0F_DBC_MIN_AUSLOESEDRUCK) Min Trip Force / Triggering Pressure
RTA active 1.00 0/1
Run-Up Mode 0.00 0/1

Most of these items are set to Wert_00 and have a data value of 0. I am not sure what the significance of that is other than assuming that the parameter is doing nothing. See C0F_CBC as an example. Value is Wert_00 and so is the data value of the Hex. 1M definitely utilizes CBC, but I am guessing the other 1's don't have it programmed?

I did a comparison, and a rough translation, of a 128i trace file to a 135i and 135is trace file.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

It does not look like the MK60 module for the 135is is coded any differently than the 135i. You'd have to look into the values/formulas of the 135i parameters to determine if its worth coding a 128i to 135i values. There are people on the M3 forums experimenting with changing C0F_ASC_BMR_STB, C0F_DRUCKMODELL_HA, C0F_UEBERSTEUERN_MUE_0, and C0F_UNTERSTEUERSCHWELLE to GTS values with notable changes in DSC intervention. Personally, I just turn everything off on track anyway so I wont pursue it further.

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      05-26-2016, 05:22 PM   #58
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It looks like YarkoDrives pointed out that "Brake Standby (e84_EVB)" is called "Ready Alert Brake (C0F_BB_RAB)" on an E82.

I actually don't mind having it enabled though. I've lifted from the gas in panic situations on the street and it's a welcomed surprise to have a pre-tensioned brake. On track, many drivers give the brakes a quick tap to pre-tension the brakes prior to a corner anyway...

HSA, SSA, and BBV are good parameters to know about, but they will not effect the car on track. Did you notice anything that matches RBS (rain brake assist)? I think I saw a similar description in NCSDummy, but I don't remember for sure. I think it was called "brake drying?"
Thanks for pointing that out about RAB, I missed that.

As for RBS I didn't, but here is my TRC file:

Code:
SZL
	wert_02
C0X_C8
	wert_02
C0C_AFH_HSA
	wert_01
C0C_AFS
	wert_00
C0C_ASC_AMR_STB
	wert_03
C0C_ASC_BMR_STB
	wert_01
C0C_ASL
	wert_00
C0C_BAUART
	wert_02
C0C_BB_RAB
	wert_01
C0C_BBV
	wert_00
C0C_BBV_KORR_HA
	wert_02
C0C_BBV_KORR_VA
	wert_00
	wert_02
C0C_BERGAB_GERASTET
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_BERGAB_KENNEN
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_BERGABANSATZ
	wert_00
C0C_BTM
	wert_00
C0C_CBC
	wert_00
C0C_CF_ESM_HB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_CF_ESM_LB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_CR_ESM_HB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_CR_ESM_LB
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_DBC_MIN_AUSLOESEDRUCK
	wert_00
C0C_DCC_C_AAT
	wert_00
C0C_DCC_C_ATT_SCHUB_AUS
	wert_00
C0C_DCC_C_ATT_SCHUB_EIN
	wert_00
C0C_DCC_DTC
	wert_00
C0C_DELTA_PSI_BETA_LIMIT
	wert_01
C0C_DF_DIR
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_DIFF_LOCK
	wert_02
C0C_DRUCKMODELL_HA
	wert_05
C0C_DRUCKMODELL_VA
	wert_06
C0C_ECBA_DCC
	wert_00
C0C_FBS
	wert_01
C0C_FLR
	wert_01
C0C_GETRIEBE
	wert_00
C0C_GMB
	wert_00
C0C_GMK_ECBA_HA
	wert_02
C0C_GMK_ECBA_VA
	wert_00
	wert_05
C0C_GMR_MAX_LIMIT_SCHRAEG
	wert_00
C0C_GMR_MIN_LIMIT_SCHRAEG
	wert_00
C0C_HSA
	wert_01
C0C_HSA_AFH_AFU
	wert_00
C0C_IPM_MAX_P_RES
	wert_00
C0C_KUEHLSCHACHT
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LCL
	wert_00
C0C_LENKWINKELKENNLINIE
	wert_03
C0C_LF_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LR_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LUEFTER
	wert_00
C0C_LWK_X2
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_X3
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_X4
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_Y1
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_Y2
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_Y3
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_LWK_Y4
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_M_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_MIN_DRUCKAUFBAU_GRAD
	wert_00
C0C_MOTOR
	wert_07
C0C_MOTOR_LEISTUNG_MAX
	wert_00
	wert_18
C0C_MOTOR_SCHLEPP_P
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_PRE_MSR
	wert_00
C0C_PRE_USC
	wert_00
C0C_RPA
	wert_01
C0C_RPA_SCHWELLE
	wert_00
	wert_02
C0C_SC_X_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_SC_Y_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_SCHUBABSCHALTUNG
	wert_00
C0C_SDR_CTC
	wert_00
C0C_SETZ_V_MAX
	wert_00
C0C_SPURWEITE
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_SST
	wert_01
C0C_TB_BDD
	wert_01
C0C_THETA_ESM
	wert_00
	wert_01
C0C_UEBERSTEUERN_MUE_0
	wert_04
C0C_UEBERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2
	wert_05
C0C_UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_0
	wert_00
C0C_UNTERSTEUERN_MUE_1_2
	wert_00
C0C_UNTERSTEUERSCHWELLE
	wert_01
C0C_V_EINHEIT
	wert_00
C0C_VERZOEG_NEG_FEIN
	wert_00
C0C_VERZOEG_NEG_GROB
	wert_00
C0C_VERZOEG_POS_FEIN
	wert_00
C0C_VERZOEG_POS_GROB
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OK guys, I disabled C0C_DIFF_LOCK (set to wert_00 & wert_01) and e-diff is still kicking in with the LSD. The car is still anti-burnout lol. Could it be because my SP DATEN used is older than what is on the car? I used v41 files from 2011. The car's software was updated by the dealership in 2012.

(When reading the DSC modules in NCS Expert, the one that is shown is MK60_87.C0C instead of MK60_87.C0F like everyone else here)
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OK guys, I disabled C0C_DIFF_LOCK (set to wert_00 & wert_01) and e-diff is still kicking in with the LSD. The car is still anti-burnout lol. Could it be because my SP DATEN used is older than what is on the car? I used v41 files from 2011. The car's software was updated by the dealership in 2012.

(When reading the DSC modules in NCS Expert, the one that is shown is MK60_87.C0C instead of MK60_87.C0F like everyone else here)
What profile are you using in NCSExpert? I was using Expert mode at first and none of my changes were actually writing to the dme (just appeared that way). I had to re-do all my changes using revtor's profile which allows write access.

You obviously have to also turn DSC and DTC all the way off still...

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What profile are you using in NCSExpert? I was using Expert mode at first and none of my changes were actually writing to the dme (just appeared that way). I had to re-do all my changes using revtor's profile which allows write access.

You obviously have to also turn DSC and DTC all the way off still...
I created a new profile identical to revtor's profile settings with the all important "fsw psw manipulate" enabled. The changes were indeed written as verified when rereading the ECU/module.

Yes DSC/DTC was fully disabled during testing.
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OK guys, I disabled C0C_DIFF_LOCK (set to wert_00 & wert_01) and e-diff is still kicking in with the LSD. The car is still anti-burnout lol. Could it be because my SP DATEN used is older than what is on the car? I used v41 files from 2011. The car's software was updated by the dealership in 2012.

(When reading the DSC modules in NCS Expert, the one that is shown is MK60_87.C0C instead of MK60_87.C0F like everyone else here)
What do you mean by anti burnout? As in it is only one wheel spinning?
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What do you mean by anti burnout? As in it is only one wheel spinning?
E-diff kicks in when trying to do a hard launch and kills any chance of intentional spin on either wheel because it applies the rear brakes in rapid pulses as soon as slip is detected. This also occurs when applying throttle at extreme slip angles on the skidpad or out of tight corners on an autocross course. It interferes with the mechanical LSD and prevents you from having 100% control of the car.
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I don't have that issue even without disabling the eDiff (and have a mechanical LSD). Are you running with traction control on or something?

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Yeah from what I've read from BMW press releases the e-diff activates when a greater than 5% differential in wheel speed is detected... Your LSD would have to be allowing at least that much of a differential for the e-diff to even begin to apply itself.

DSC/ASC (DTC) detect and manage wheel spin. The E-diff just try's to keep both wheels spinning within 5% of each-other whether you have traction or not.

Double check in NCSDummy that the data value is 0 for the corresponding wert values you are using? You aren't the first person in the thread to speculate the e-diff is still intervening...

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I don't have that issue even without disabling the eDiff (and have a mechanical LSD). Are you running with traction control on or something?
You're one of the lucky ones. It depends on your software version. Several members here (e90post) with LSD have reported non-intrusive e-diff activity, and they're often the ones who have avoided software updates from the dealership.

Traction control always fully disengaged. I can hear and feel the brake pulses by the e-diff when throttle is added during extreme slip angles and slides. It manifests as a rough vibration through the chassis and is quite loud at times.

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Yeah from what I've read from BMW press releases the e-diff activates when a greater than 5% differential in wheel speed is detected... Your LSD would have to be allowing at least that much of a differential for the e-diff to even begin to apply itself.

DSC/ASC (DTC) detect and manage wheel spin. The E-diff just try's to keep both wheels spinning within 5% of each-other whether you have traction or not.

Double check in NCSDummy that the data value is 0 for the corresponding wert values you are using? You aren't the first person in the thread to speculate the e-diff is still intervening...
Good to know, 5% doesn't leave much room at all!

I really had high hopes the e-diff would stop intervening as brakthru reported. I used the same v41 DATEN files as he did... Anyway, I'll look at the data values and report back.
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