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      08-19-2019, 07:45 AM   #7327
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Upon further review, trump is kind of a mean version of Robert Taft......

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/fran...trump-policies

"Dwight Eisenhower ran on an internationalist platform in 1952, favoring foreign aid to Europe, the new military alliance called NATO and an aggressive stance against Soviet Communism, thereby asserting U.S. world leadership. He vanquished his isolationist foe, Sen. Robert Taft, for the GOP nomination in 1952 and then won the first Republican presidential victory in 20 years.


In 1980, Ronald Reagan sought to move the GOP beyond its narrow confines in the Northeast and Midwest. He built on Eisenhower's internationalism, preaching limited government, free markets and supply-side economics – policies designed to bring prosperity to ALL Americans, not just the well-connected."
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HIT!!

Mr. Trump donates his salary to HHS for the 3rd time.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-3rd-time.html

He should challenge the millionaire members of congress, both parties and across the aisle, to do the same. I wonder how many takers there would be as they are good at jacking up the taxes for the citizens but not giving of themselves.
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I like this stance:

U.S. President Trump does not want to do business with China's Huawei https://reut.rs/2YWYrKB
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And I fully support this, though if Trump backs down or makes it a bargaining chip, I'll be very disappointed:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...to-anger-china
U.S. Backs F-16 Sale to Taiwan, Drawing Warning From China
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I like this stance:

U.S. President Trump does not want to do business with China's Huawei https://reut.rs/2YWYrKB
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And I fully support this, though if Trump backs down or makes it a bargaining chip, I'll be very disappointed:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...to-anger-china
U.S. Backs F-16 Sale to Taiwan, Drawing Warning From China
We are fully aligned on both of these.
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I like this stance:

U.S. President Trump does not want to do business with China's Huawei https://reut.rs/2YWYrKB
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And I fully support this, though if Trump backs down or makes it a bargaining chip, I'll be very disappointed:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...to-anger-china
U.S. Backs F-16 Sale to Taiwan, Drawing Warning From China
We are fully aligned on both of these.
just curious for a moment:
anybody remember Loral Space and why they were in (some of) the news in the mid- and late 90s?
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just curious for a moment:
anybody remember Loral Space and why they were in (some of) the news in the mid- and late 90s?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loral_...Communications
In January 2002, Loral reached a settlement with the U.S. Government in a case relating to the company’s involvement in the disclosure of information during a review of a Chinese rocket launch failure in 1996.[3] Loral agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million to the State Department without admitting or denying the government’s charges.[4] According to a House Select Committee, Loral under CEO Schwartz provided the Chinese government with advice regarding a guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles.[5] The Defense Technology Security Administration concluded Loral "committed a serious export control violation" and that the "significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems." [6] Loral paid a total fine of $20 million, the largest that a company has ever paid under the Arms Export Control Act

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
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just curious for a moment:
anybody remember Loral Space and why they were in (some of) the news in the mid- and late 90s?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loral_...Communications
In January 2002, Loral reached a settlement with the U.S. Government in a case relating to the company’s involvement in the disclosure of information during a review of a Chinese rocket launch failure in 1996.[3] Loral agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million to the State Department without admitting or denying the government’s charges.[4] According to a House Select Committee, Loral under CEO Schwartz provided the Chinese government with advice regarding a guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles.[5] The Defense Technology Security Administration concluded Loral "committed a serious export control violation" and that the "significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems." [6] Loral paid a total fine of $20 million, the largest that a company has ever paid under the Arms Export Control Act
that's very nice RD, but i was actually hoping for an opinion. of your own. most adults are able to use a search engine.
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that's very nice RD, but i was actually hoping for an opinion. of your own. most adults are able to use a search engine.
Be nice....

Its seems Loral screwed the US looking to save money. Reminds me of the Toshiba propeller deal with the Soviets.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/07...8735553752000/
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that's very nice RD, but i was actually hoping for an opinion. of your own. most adults are able to use a search engine.
Be nice....

Its seems Loral screwed the US looking to save money. Reminds me of the Toshiba propeller deal with the Soviets.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/07...8735553752000/
you're right. i apologize. i should have been more direct.
I was curious about whether anyone remembered specifically why they were in the news in the mid 90s, why the authority to grant a license to transfer national security sensitive technology was moved from the state department (where it had always been) to the commerce department (run by THE LATE Ron Brown).
geez, i hope Kitesurfer doesn't read this.

Edit: notice how i cleverly avoided any mention of campaign contributions.
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Another miss! A huge exaggeration and outright lie. Apparently this professor Epstein(?) claimed google was biased towards Hillary in a study which favors right wing news sources. Trump is such a lying pos.


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I can't listen to that stuff anymore-pure propaganda. I believe Federal Election Commission has requested his 'evidence".
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Watching that antisemite tlaib crying today at the presser because Israel and Trump( according to her) wouldn’t let them into the country. She was blubbering like a little girl, the same woman who stood up after getting elected and proclaimed to the world on the tube that they were going to “impeach the mother fucker” in a loud proud voice. Real tough broad, what a joke.
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Another miss! A huge exaggeration and outright lie. Apparently this professor Epstein(?) claimed google was biased towards Hillary in a study which favors right wing news sources. Trump is such a lying pos.


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Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election! This was put out by a Clinton supporter, not a Trump Supporter! Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought!
So Trump is a lying POS? You have imperical evidence that there is NO basis, or truth to his claim? Is it possible that he believes the study and thinks he is right, regardless of the actual veracity of the study?

I can't tell if you are trolling, or just too emotional to have a rational discussion and need to resort to insulting those you dont like.

While there is no way to know how many votes google swayed, and i would gues the numbers quoted are on the high side to say the least, there is plenty of evidence that it occurred.
https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/
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Another miss! A huge exaggeration and outright lie. Apparently this professor Epstein(?) claimed google was biased towards Hillary in a study which favors right wing news sources. Trump is such a lying pos.


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Wow, Report Just Out! Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election! This was put out by a Clinton supporter, not a Trump Supporter! Google should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought!
So Trump is a lying POS? You have imperical evidence that there is NO basis, or truth to his claim? Is it possible that he believes the study and thinks he is right, regardless of the actual veracity of the study?

I can't tell if you are trolling, or just too emotional to have a rational discussion and need to resort to insulting those you dont like.

While there is no way to know how many votes google swayed, and i would gues the numbers quoted are on the high side to say the least, there is plenty of evidence that it occurred.
https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/
Project veritas? Look up my previous "project veritas" posts. More lying and exaggeration.

How did they do on their Washington Post project?

Relax Francis. No one was insulting you. Just the Cheeto.
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Project veritas? Look up my previous "project veritas" posts. More lying and exaggeration.

How did they do on their Washington Post project?

Relax Francis. No one was insulting you. Just the Cheeto.

So are you saying all the documents and clips are fabricated? As lying is a very strong word. I believe spinning or sensationalizing would be more proper.
Which you have to frown at all the media companies on that as they do the excate same thing
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Project veritas? Look up my previous "project veritas" posts. More lying and exaggeration.

How did they do on their Washington Post project?

Relax Francis. No one was insulting you. Just the Cheeto.

So are you saying all the documents and clips are fabricated? As lying is a very strong word. I believe spinning or sensationalizing would be more proper.
Which you have to frown at all the media companies on that as they do the excate same thing
Veritas is as honest as a Michael Moore documentary. Extremely loaded and biased. Edited in extreme ways. Not intellectually honest.

Ask me how I really feel............
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Veritas is as honest as a Michael Moore documentary. Extremely loaded and biased. Edited in extreme ways. Not intellectually honest.

Ask me how I really feel............
How do you feel?

Propaganda will be a good term, but all propaganda has bits and pieces that are true, which is why i said calling them lyers is a bit too strong of a term.
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Veritas is as honest as a Michael Moore documentary. Extremely loaded and biased. Edited in extreme ways. Not intellectually honest.

Ask me how I really feel............
While you can make that argument, i would disagree, but how does that change the document dump? Are you claiming Zachary Vorhies didn't work for Google? Are you claiming these documents are fake? I don't know if you actually clicked the link, but i didnt link an editorial, just the actual internal Google ducuments which you can read and judge for yourself.
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anybody remember Loral Space and why they were in (some of) the news in the mid- and late 90s?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loral_...Communications
In January 2002, Loral reached a settlement with the U.S. Government in a case relating to the company’s involvement in the disclosure of information during a review of a Chinese rocket launch failure in 1996.[3] Loral agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million to the State Department without admitting or denying the government’s charges.[4] According to a House Select Committee, Loral under CEO Schwartz provided the Chinese government with advice regarding a guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles.[5] The Defense Technology Security Administration concluded Loral "committed a serious export control violation" and that the "significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems." [6] Loral paid a total fine of $20 million, the largest that a company has ever paid under the Arms Export Control Act

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
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that's very nice RD, but i was actually hoping for an opinion. of your own. most adults are able to use a search engine.
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Be nice....

Its seems Loral screwed the US looking to save money. Reminds me of the Toshiba propeller deal with the Soviets.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/07...8735553752000/
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you're right. i apologize. i should have been more direct.
I was curious about whether anyone remembered specifically why they were in the news in the mid 90s, why the authority to grant a license to transfer national security sensitive technology was moved from the state department (where it had always been) to the commerce department (run by THE LATE Ron Brown).
geez, i hope Kitesurfer doesn't read this.

Edit: notice how i cleverly avoided any mention of campaign contributions.
I remember this distinctly. Bottom line: Loral and Hughes were responsible for accelerating the development of the Chinese missile program from late 50-early 60s technology to 80s technology.

It was a disgusting and shameful selling of our technology. We know who was in office...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loral_...Communications
In January 2002, Loral reached a settlement with the U.S. Government in a case relating to the company’s involvement in the disclosure of information during a review of a Chinese rocket launch failure in 1996.[3] Loral agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million to the State Department without admitting or denying the government’s charges.[4] According to a House Select Committee, Loral under CEO Schwartz provided the Chinese government with advice regarding a guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles.[5] The Defense Technology Security Administration concluded Loral "committed a serious export control violation" and that the "significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems." [6] Loral paid a total fine of $20 million, the largest that a company has ever paid under the Arms Export Control Act

https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
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that's very nice RD, but i was actually hoping for an opinion. of your own. most adults are able to use a search engine.
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Be nice....

Its seems Loral screwed the US looking to save money. Reminds me of the Toshiba propeller deal with the Soviets.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/07...8735553752000/
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Originally Posted by Poiseuille View Post
you're right. i apologize. i should have been more direct.
I was curious about whether anyone remembered specifically why they were in the news in the mid 90s, why the authority to grant a license to transfer national security sensitive technology was moved from the state department (where it had always been) to the commerce department (run by THE LATE Ron Brown).
geez, i hope Kitesurfer doesn't read this.

Edit: notice how i cleverly avoided any mention of campaign contributions.
I remember this distinctly. Bottom line: Loral and Hughes were responsible for accelerating the development of the Chinese missile program from late 50-early 60s technology to 80s technology.

It was a disgusting and shameful selling of our technology. We know who was in office...
I never voted for Bill.......,
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