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      07-05-2018, 06:31 PM   #89
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And I still don’t get this “Trump is a great businessman” spiel that people spout.

He was in charge of a small family office that eventually morphed into real estate licensing and management firm. This company has never done anything besides handshake deals with private investors and banks looking to gain big returns from placing debt with him. Most of his assets are not liquid by any means.

He has never had to answer to shareholders or be held accountable for his actions and it shows in how he manages his “company” right now. Total disregard for the global economic system that was built primarily by America post-WWII and has served most of you in this thread very well and kept the world in relative peace for the past 80 years.
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Of course the consumer almost always pays the cost of the tariff.

true story...

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...davidson2018-7


profits drop... jobs are lost.. stocks drop.... so... everyone from wall street to main street get caught in the crossfire.

At what point does this scenario help the average American?
Harley has larger issues other than tariffs. Namely US demographics.
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Not sure why losing manufacturing prowess is a "good thing" for the US. That's an interesting viewpoint. Care to expound?
It's about core competency. It's the same reasons why you yourself don't grow your own food that you eat or at work why you have admin staff.
Just so I understand what your stating: Core competencies in business leadership relate to self sufficiency in feeding myself and/or streamlining of person-to-task?

I honestly want to understand your viewpoint.
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Why are you excusing EU automotive tariffs?

Economic size isn't as relevant as economic transparency. China has generations to go in that department.
Why fight and disrupt EU diplomacy over trade tariffs when they have little to no effect on anything concerning American manufacturers? Seriously, who cares? Trying to fight over automotive tariffs in today's global economy is useless and provides no advantages to the American economy. GM was strongly against anything resembling what the Trump Admin was pitching for a reason.
I can think of a few million voters who think, rightly or wrongly, foreign tariffs have contributed to their poor economic circumstances.
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Next up: Abolish the Chicken Tax!
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Next up: Abolish the Chicken Tax!
Indeed !
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and I SWORE to myself I wouldn't get sucked into any of this boards political threads.
Stick to the car stuff, I told myself. It's a huge sink hole, I told myself. Teaching pigs to sing I told myself.
But dear lard, people. The cars we love to buy could be 20% more expensive FOR NO GOOD REASON.
OK I swear that's it.
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No one is surprised by this. The question is, will EU take that deal and reduce their import tariffs? My guess is that they stubbornly wont, and that US will back down from their tariffs threat
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Just so I understand what your stating: Core competencies in business leadership relate to self sufficiency in feeding myself and/or streamlining of person-to-task?

I honestly want to understand your viewpoint.
He means competitive advantage.

There are no countries that make everything themselves.
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Just so I understand what your stating: Core competencies in business leadership relate to self sufficiency in feeding myself and/or streamlining of person-to-task?

I honestly want to understand your viewpoint.
He means competitive advantage.

There are no countries that make everything themselves.
Gotcha. Totally makes sense, I see what he meant now.
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I can think of a few million voters who think, rightly or wrongly, foreign tariffs have contributed to their poor economic circumstances.
I agree, but I think you don't only mean those affected in the USA right?

There are many people in other countries that blame us for the loss of their industries.

Farmers in a lot of smaller countries cannot compete with the massive scale of cheap fruits, nuts, soybeans, pork, chicken, beef, etc. from the US.
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Next up: Abolish the Chicken Tax!
That's the more significant non-negotiable term. Extension of Chicken Tax or no deal
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Just so I understand what your stating: Core competencies in business leadership relate to self sufficiency in feeding myself and/or streamlining of person-to-task?

I honestly want to understand your viewpoint.
We are not the lowest cost producer/highest quality producer. What we are good at is designing the machines and processes used in production, marketing, sales, product innovation...get it? Read: it's more efficient for us to be engineers, creative sales/marketing, creating intellectual property.

If you look at productivity metrics we are one of the most productive labor force in the world meaning for every hour that we spend at work we produce more value of goods and services than those labor intensive economies such as China Vietnam Etc.

You should view the fact that we are not labor intensive as a position of strength not weakness.
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I can think of a few million voters who think, rightly or wrongly, foreign tariffs have contributed to their poor economic circumstances.
I agree, but I think you don't only mean those affected in the USA right?

There are many people in other countries that blame us for the loss of their industries.

Farmers in a lot of smaller countries cannot compete with the massive scale of cheap fruits, nuts, soybeans, pork, chicken, beef, etc. from the US.
Yep. US agricultural subsidies are a big issue. We can thank FDR for that.
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Harley has larger issues other than tariffs. Namely US demographics.
nice sidestep of my query..

At what point does this tariff scenario help the average American?
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And I still don’t get this “Trump is a great businessman” spiel that people spout.

He was in charge of a small family office that eventually morphed into real estate licensing and management firm. This company has never done anything besides handshake deals with private investors and banks looking to gain big returns from placing debt with him. Most of his assets are not liquid by any means.

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Yes! This is why the allies are so upset and "foes" are licking their lips.
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Aaaaand the Supreme leader just changed his mind, and again...
More like the leverage play is working.

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Germany’s chancellor said Thursday she’s willing to back lower tariffs on U.S. auto imports as a potential European Union (EU) concession to the Trump administration – just one day after CEOs of Germany’s biggest carmakers reportedly voiced support for eliminating such tariffs entirely.
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No one here seems to take in to consideration that we have a huge trade deficit. Economics 101 would most certainly suggest that it is unsustainable long term, and a big reason the US has been in a financial mess for a very long time. Clearly, reversing this does not happen overnight and it will certainly hurt a lot of people and businesses short term. However, if we don't address the trade deficit, we will have much bigger problems long term. Previous presidents have just kicked the can down the road because it isn't popular to fix these sort of things, but it is necessary for our long term success.

Besides, don't these other countries (China, Germany ect.) have a lot to loose by imposing tariffs? If we are the #1 consumer of their products, they will certainly loose business and drive us to buy Made in America again, which would be a win win.
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they will certainly loose business and drive us to buy Made in America again, which would be a win win.
So you're buying a MB C300 then?
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So you're buying a MB C300 then?
I might buy a GT350 over an M2 ;-)
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So you're buying a MB C300 then?
I might buy a GT350 over an M2 ;-)
So less "Made in the USA" than the Benz.
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It's a simple concept. We don't have free and fair trade now. High tariffs on US exports will lead to reciprocally high tariffs on like imports until such time as they reduce or remove those tariffs and the US then reciprocates. Then we have free trade. It's about time!
like "free and fair" 25% tariff we've had on imported trucks (ie the chicken tax) since 1964......
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