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      06-30-2019, 01:13 PM   #23
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Nope, he just got beaten by someone with much better tyres.

I still rate Leclerc as good as LH and Max. Add to that list Lando and Albon.
So the guy as good as Max and LH is still 18 pts behind Vettel this year and only 4 pts ahead of Kimi at this point in the season last year?

Riiiiiiiight.
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Nope, he just got beaten by someone with much better tyres.

I still rate Leclerc as good as LH and Max. Add to that list Lando and Albon.
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I was really hoping Leclerc could get his first win, but his tyres let him down, sadly.

Very happy for Verstappen though, especially since he won it at RB's home track.
Save the car tires during the race are one of the driver skills . MAX can tell us more about it ...
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This is Leclerc's second season in F1 and first with a winning team. I would say his future is very bright and it's wayyyy too early to say he is overrated. I mean this was what his 4th podium already? Pretty solid start to his career imo.
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Nope, he just got beaten by someone with much better tyres.

I still rate Leclerc as good as LH and Max. Add to that list Lando and Albon.
So the guy as good as Max and LH is still 18 pts behind Vettel this year and only 4 pts ahead of Kimi at this point in the season last year?

Riiiiiiiight.
Don't forget his car broke early in the season. Costing him a win. Some things are out of his control.
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Save the car tires during the race are one of the driver skills . MAX can tell us more about it ...
This ^^

Max is a master in tyre management. Just like Schumacher and Prost before him.
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What an unbelievable race, and I'm still saying LeClerc is overrated. He just got blown off the track by a guy from far down the grid with inferior hardware. If Max doesn't have the horrible start, he wins by 10+ seconds easily.

Max is an unbelievable driver. He deserves the second seat at Mercedes or LeClerc's seat next year. Screw the contracts, make it happen. Max is the man.

FINALLY A GREAT F1 RACE!!!
Nope, he just got beaten by someone with much better tyres.

I still rate Leclerc as good as LH and Max. Add to that list Lando and Albon.
I don't think Ferrari was even considering max was a threat during pit stop.
They were covering Bottas and the Mercedes instead.
Given it was a one stop, by the time they've decided to pit LEC and rbr decided to stay out longer for 10 laps. It was destined that Max will eventually overtake in the final stages.
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Like max in the past few years, whatever took the win from Leclerc will just make him even more hunger for the win.
Great to see there's still hope in F1's future with these next generation drivers.
So far Lando Norris was doing quite well, at times when the mclaren is decent. Also clean fight against Hamilton for a little while.
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Breaking News: 2-time F1 Champion and 2-time Le Mans winner Fernando Alonso has hung himself. More details to follow...

GP2 Engine - 1; 4th best chassis on the grid - 0; lol
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Sorry to rain on the parade but it was contact which forced another driver off the track. The decision was political on 3 fronts:

1. Dutch Fans by the gazillions there.
2. Honda's first win since nearly the last century.
3. Canada was echoing in their ears loudly and they couldn't stand a redo.

This is like the return of Jean Marie Balestre and Max Mosely. Politics in racing in pure BS.

Sorry, my dear friend Philippe...I know you bleed orange for him and his racing was impeccable up to that point. I didn't care who won up to that point as the suspense was what we all wanted. It was fantastic right up to to the point that he disallowed racing room on the track. The previous lap was perfect and they had no trouble racing side by side. Had he waited, VER would have been that much closer for the final lap and this wouldn't have even gone to the stewards.

I went through the whole crashing into other drivers in the late 90s and early 2000s. I don't want to see that again.

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Sorry to rain on the parade but it was contact which forced another driver off the track. The decision was political on 3 fronts:

1. Dutch Fans by the gazillions there.
2. Honda's first win since nearly the last century.
3. Canada was echoing in their ears loudly and they couldn't stand a redo.

This is like the return of Jean Marie Balestre and Max Mosely. Politics in racing in pure BS.

Sorry, my dear friend Philippe...I know you bleed orange for him and his racing was impeccable up to that point. I didn't care who won up to that point as the suspense was what we all wanted. It was fantastic right up to to the point that he disallowed racing room on the track. The previous lap was perfect and they had no trouble racing side by side. Had he waited, VER would have been that much closer for the final lap and this wouldn't have even gone to the stewards.

I went through the whole crashing into other drivers in the late 90s and early 2000s. I don't want to see that again.

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I see your point my friend . And I'm pretty sure you know that MAX his blood is actually not orange .
*Max Emilian Verstappen* was born on 30 September 1997 in Hasselt, Belgium
=> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Verstappen

His ID and driver license are Belgian (just like me) But he drives under the Dutch flag , most likely as for financial speculation...
Hasselt , the place where Max is born is only 15 miles from my home .And I work daily in Hasselt at the company .

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GP2 Engine - 1; 4th best chassis on the grid - 0; lol
Also a slap in the face for mclaren
Which they refuse to work with Honda and not having more patience.
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Great to see close wheel to wheel racing, much needed.

Max deserved the win, brilliant drive, but his elbows are a little too wide for my liking.

Got a chuckle out of this
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Also a slap in the face for mclaren
Which they refuse to work with Honda and not having more patience.
Jokes aside, there was enough blame to go on both sides. No one party was faultless.

Honda needed a wake up call on their underdeveloped engine. McLaren needed some sobering on the fact that their chassis was not as good as they say/thought it was. Since then both sides have had a rethink and reshuffling of their plans/staffing.

Today shows improvement for both parties, Honda winning via Red Bull. McLaren emerging as front running team of F1.5 (midfield); so far showing off the Renault factory team. (Perhaps Ricciardo should've gone to McLaren instead of Renault; time will tell )
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closing the door who got the inside line is not something new.. im not fan of it but its part of racing.. they had a contact cause Leclerc thought there be a place for him as he mentioned.. and there were no place.. you can double check where Max was in the end.. on the racing line.. i dont think its political or anything.. best examples made by Schumacher in the past.. many like this.. if defensing can be made like this, overtaking can be made also.. double direction change is not allowed only.. you can start observing and count how many more times it ll happen again this season.. well done Max..

and i dont think Leclerc is overhyped or something.. he drove like a champion from free practices and he achieved best with whats left on the table.. i believe Ferrari's tactics was disastrous again that they pulled Leclerc in for his pitstop too early.. it was obvious that his tires will start to fall off in last 10-15 laps.. they probably made this decision due to low degradation they ve seen on practices but they didnt lap this much in any FP to double check it.. Leclerc has long and great years ahead.. and whoever is Leclerc's race engineer, his voice so panicky while Max was closing the gap, which is soo wrong talk with a racing driver like that..
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Save the car tires during the race are one of the driver skills . MAX can tell us more about it ...
Problem for Leclerc started in quali, when he set the fastest time on softs, which he had to start on. Therefore he had to pit much sooner than the others.

The big disappointment yesterday, again, was Vettel. He was completely out raced by Leclerc.
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So the guy as good as Max and LH is still 18 pts behind Vettel this year and only 4 pts ahead of Kimi at this point in the season last year?

Riiiiiiiight.
I don't know if you are trolling, or just being obtuse.

Ever heard of team orders, and your car breaking down with a certain win in sight.........
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This ^^

Max is a master in tyre management. Just like Schumacher and Prost before him.
That he is. It is also one of the big reasons LH are better than VB.

It just annoys me that drivers have to even think about tyre management at all. We want flat out racing all the time.
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I don't think Ferrari was even considering max was a threat during pit stop.
They were covering Bottas and the Mercedes instead.
Given it was a one stop, by the time they've decided to pit LEC and rbr decided to stay out longer for 10 laps. It was destined that Max will eventually overtake in the final stages.
Agreed, Ferrari completely discounted RB, and Verstappen in particular.
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The big disappointment yesterday, again, was Vettel. He was completely out raced by Leclerc.
Vettel started 10th and finished 4th, ahead of Hamilton who started 2nd. Vettel also stopped twice for tires. With a few more laps to work with he might have made the podium. I'd say he comported himself rather well.
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closing the door who got the inside line is not something new.. im not fan of it but its part of racing.. they had a contact cause Leclerc thought there be a place for him as he mentioned.. and there were no place.. you can double check where Max was in the end.. on the racing line.. i dont think its political or anything.. best examples made by Schumacher in the past.. many like this.. if defensing can be made like this, overtaking can be made also.. double direction change is not allowed only.. you can start observing and count how many more times it ll happen again this season.. well done Max..

and i dont think Leclerc is overhyped or something.. he drove like a champion from free practices and he achieved best with whats left on the table.. i believe Ferrari's tactics was disastrous again that they pulled Leclerc in for his pitstop too early.. it was obvious that his tires will start to fall off in last 10-15 laps.. they probably made this decision due to low degradation they ve seen on practices but they didnt lap this much in any FP to double check it.. Leclerc has long and great years ahead.. and whoever is Leclerc's race engineer, his voice so panicky while Max was closing the gap, which is soo wrong talk with a racing driver like that..
Acknowledging the earlier post that racing school teaches to ensure a car width is given....watching the replay multiple X's....VER had the inside on a right hand turn....LEC stayed left (outside) and ran out of racing room....VER's trajectory carried the car to the outside white line....that is textbook cornering....and agree w/the comment that RB's tire strategy placed VER with tires that were 10 laps fresher than LEC....it really appears that Ferrari just discounted RB's massive late-race charge to reign in the race leader....and they did.
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Acknowledging the earlier post that racing school teaches to ensure a car width is given....watching the replay multiple X's....VER had the inside on a right hand turn....LEC stayed left (outside) and ran out of racing room....VER's trajectory carried the car to the outside white line....that is textbook cornering....and agree w/the comment that RB's tire strategy placed VER with tires that were 10 laps fresher than LEC....it really appears that Ferrari just discounted RB's massive late-race charge to reign in the race leader....and they did.
I agree with most of this with the exception that VER took the racing line. VER took an alternative line, missed the apex by half a car width and steered into LEC. One need only watch the preceding lap to see what line VER should have taken. His goal was to stop LEC from coming back with the superior acceleration of the Ferrari as he did on the previous lap.

I really believe that the decision was incorrect and sets a bad precedent. I remember very well when drivers were injured and killed from wheel-to-wheel contact in F1 and other open wheel series. If people want to see a bunch of body rubbing while racing there is NASCAR and other tin-top racing around the globe. F1 and the rest of the open wheel feeder series' are not the place for this.

Great comment and I always appreciate your input!

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