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06-11-2007, 10:44 PM | #1 |
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Engine-Transmission Speculation Roundup
Reading through all the available information I am expecting the following options for NA:
125i = 218hp N52 130i = 265hp(272?) N52 123d = 204hp M47TU2D20 Possibly 135i (M?) 306hp N54 Standard 6sp manual w/ Auto option No DCT Any other speculation? |
06-11-2007, 11:50 PM | #2 |
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My dream car would be a 6-sp diesel coupe for myself and an auto diesel convertible for the wifey, but BMW doesn't make a clean enough diesel yet and unless gas prices stay at $3+, I doubt there will be enough demand.
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06-12-2007, 03:39 PM | #6 |
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What I think they will launch:
128i- 230hp 135i- 300hp To be followed by: 128i Cabrio 135i Cabrio 123d- 204hp What I would prefer to see: 123d- 204hp 128i- 230hp 130i- 260hp M1- 340hp, normally aspirated 128i Cabrio 130i Cabrio For me the sweet spot would be a 130i Coupé... |
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06-12-2007, 03:52 PM | #7 |
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Your preference is VERY understandable. But there needs to be more than a 30hp difference between the a 128i and 130i. ESPECIALLY when there would more than likely be a 5-6k difference between them. BMW has been forced to play the hp game. My dads $45,000 2004 325ci convertible only has a 192hp. I mean on paper it looks bad but its still one rockin car. Soo balanced and what not. 230hp should be a real hoot!
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06-12-2007, 05:01 PM | #8 | |
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I don't see how they will stop making the 135i when the M1 rolls in, unless the price of the 135i is jacked up be over $40K with mandatory M-sports package and what not. You just can't replace a $35K car with a $45K car regardless of HP ratings you know. |
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06-12-2007, 05:28 PM | #9 |
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Advevo just posted some new pics in the other forum. This is the second clear shot of the intercooler from the twin turbo. I guess now we just have to wait in see what its called!
I would have preferred a 260hp N52, I guess now I just need to figure out where im going to get the extra money! |
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06-12-2007, 09:04 PM | #11 |
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Those of us that want the 260HP N54 are pretty much screwed. I don't really see any way that we will get that unless one of the two things happen.
1. BMW moves to 3 model line up for the 1 and the 3, like the 5. This will allow them to position the 260HP motor as the middle one. 2. Competition gets so fierce that BMW needs to make 260HP a base engine. There is a slight chance that 1 would happen, if the 1 turned out to be a smashing hit. 2, snow balls chance in hell. |
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06-13-2007, 11:41 AM | #15 |
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Sorry... I should have been more specific. I was talking just about the naming convention. I don't understand why they started calling the base 3.0L motor a 328 instead of 325 in the 3-series? They are already making a 125i hatch, so why are they going to call the coupe a 128i?
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06-13-2007, 12:11 PM | #16 | |
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06-13-2007, 12:46 PM | #17 | |
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Really, it should cost BMW next to nothing to upgrade x25 (210HP) to x28 (230HP) and to x30 (255HP). The R&D is all but done. The only reason that BMW intentionally detunes the N53, by killing the top end torque of an otherwise beautifully revving engine, is to have a pricing hierarchy. So when BMW introduced the 335i one year after E90 debuted, with pricing that was only around $2K higher than the first year 330i, the only way to maintain a sensible two model lineup was to ditch both the 330i and the 325i. They couldn't make the 330i base model, since then the price of it will have to drop to low $30K, and that would've enraged the first year 330i owners who paid around $40K for theirs. They couldn't leave the 325i as the base, since the gap between the 325i and the 335i was just too big. So they picked the middle number, 28, with a HP rating that is pretty much the average of the 325i and 330i, with the pricing that is also the average of the two. Pure marketing, nothing less, nothing more. And of course the 1 is stuck with the same scheme with the 3, since BMW will not go for a three model line up for the 1, and the 128i is the only choice at this point for two model linup that includes the 135i. |
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06-13-2007, 02:19 PM | #18 | |
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They pulled the same marketing scheme with the E36 and E46 generations. The first year of the new generation they start off with a couple options on engine size to choose from, then after 2 or 3 years they bump both up with more power to keep the buyers interested to keep that generation alive while they work on the ///M version for that generation and R&D for the next new generation, hence the E90 and now the 1 series. They could have started the new 1 series off with the 23 and 28 claiming the 1 series is their entry level car with a smaller motor to meet the needs of a certain demographic, then moved on to the 25 and 30, then the 28 with twin turbos and a 35 with twin turbos as well. I glad BMW made a smart move by introducing the new 1 series with the 28 and 35 engines. That means they will have to increase the power in a couple years on both, if they keep this new 1 series generation alive for 4 or 6 years before moving on to the next 1 series generation. There very well could be a ///M version of this car in a few years time. The media and marketing department is just hyping up their audience by throwing around the ///M word. I would expect a ZHP (performance package) option for sure. We shall see how it all plays out. I know I'm excited for a revival of a lightweight driver's BMW! |
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06-13-2007, 02:40 PM | #19 |
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I glad BMW made a smart move by introducing the new 1 series with the 28 and 35 engines. That means they will have to increase the power in a couple years on both, if they keep this new 1 series generation alive for 4 or 6 years before moving on to the next 1 series generation. quote] don't forget that the 1er is a late intro. to the U.S. it's already in actuality at mid-model cycle so i wouldn't be surprised if the models that we get remain unchanged until the redesign in 2011 or so. |
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06-13-2007, 03:20 PM | #21 |
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That's a good point. We are already 3 years behind Europe in getting the 1. I would expect around 1 year delay for getting the next generation, assuming that the current gen does decently in the US. So the coupe we are getting is likely to be short lived compared to the typical BMW model cycles.
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