AWRON + JB4 = Fvck me ?

Nagata-San · 09-01-2015, 03:53 AM

Hey guys,

I've been reading a lot, and it seems I'm fvcked !

When plugged in, my AWRON gauge stops my JB4 and makes the car ride N/A.

It feels no power, and says around 190hp...

Any idea on how to deal ? Seems it is a CAN conflict...

SpencerMH · 09-01-2015, 07:15 AM

That really sucks, I would go to n54tech.com under the n54 section and ask as there's a much better chance of someone having tried to use both in that community than here

MDORPHN · 09-01-2015, 09:21 AM

Same issue with JB4 and a P3 vent gauge. They fight over the canbus so neither works properly.

Neil

mike@x-ph.com · 09-01-2015, 09:56 AM

Contact Jon at burger tuning for technical support

Nugget · 09-01-2015, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

Same issue with JB4 and a P3 vent gauge. They fight over the canbus so neither works properly.

Neil

Yep, you need to choose which one you want more.

wobbles1 · 09-01-2015, 10:21 PM

Ill buy your awron from you. problem solved

mike@x-ph.com · 09-01-2015, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget

Yep, you need to choose which one you want more.

You can now use both at the same time just contact P3 for a fix

Nagata-San · 09-02-2015, 01:50 AM

P3 isn't the same as Awron, is it ?

@mike, any link for me ?

MDORPHN · 09-02-2015, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagata-San

P3 isn't the same as Awron, is it ?

@mike, any link for me ?

No, but I believe that they both pull data off the OBDII port.

Neil

mike@x-ph.com · 09-02-2015, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagata-San

P3 isn't the same as Awron, is it ?

@mike, any link for me ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

No, but I believe that they both pull data off the OBDII port.

Neil

They are not the same but i assume the same fix would work on both.
That being said i doubt P3 will give you their fix so you can use it on Awron.
There is no link just email P3 customer support.

Nugget · 09-03-2015, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

You can now use both at the same time just contact P3 for a fix

Depends, P3 couldn't use that fix on mine so I sold it.

mike@x-ph.com · 09-03-2015, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget

Depends, P3 couldn't use that fix on mine so I sold it.

When was that?
They cam out with the fix last month.

Nugget · 09-03-2015, 09:47 PM

My P3 was from 2012, sold it last year.

No Style 135is · 11-29-2015, 07:02 PM

Any update for jb4 together with awron guage?
This is because I just ordered the guage and about to do jb4 after.

Nagata-San · 11-30-2015, 04:06 AM

Sold the AWRON

dbronnik · 12-25-2015, 02:55 PM

What is this "P3 fix"? I want to use solo storm with JB4 but I'm pretty sure they would not be compatible due to the same reason..

wcc135i · 03-18-2018, 09:02 PM

Ugh. My car came with the AWRON gauge installed. I've been planning on doing JB4 and a DP.

The threads I've seen that say the JB4 and AWRON gauge are not compatible are from 2015. Is there any update to this? Am I still screwed?

Dammit. I really want JB4 and a DP.

Neiman Levenson · 03-18-2018, 11:42 PM

ditch the JB4 and do MHD full flash or even a custom map through MHD. It should work with AWRON and MHD > JB4 anyways lol

wcc135i · 03-19-2018, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clean WHP

ditch the JB4 and do MHD full flash or even a custom map through MHD. It should work with AWRON and MHD > JB4 anyways lol

Alright. Thanks. I'll give mhd a try. Can anyone confirm that it'll work with the awron gauge?

Neiman Levenson · 03-19-2018, 12:01 PM

I cant say for certain cause Ive never done it, but my understanding is the JB4 doesnt work because it is a piggyback tune and tricks the DME, therefor the AWRON which reads from the DME is tricked also and not compatible.

MHD is a full flash and doesn't trick the DME or isnt a piggyback, so I dont see why it wouldn't work.

Maybe someone with experience can chime in to confirm, but you should be fine with MHD!

drwillb · 03-19-2018, 12:15 PM

AWRON, P3, and JB4 all tap into the CAN BUS system for info on parameters being measured. For reasons beyond my level of understanding, only one of the above aftermarket (and probably any others) can tap into the data flow at one time.

wcc135i · 03-19-2018, 03:05 PM

That makes sense. Does the MHD tune tap into the CAN BUS?

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Nagata-San Homyseed 69 Rep 261 Posts Drives: '11 BMW 1M AW Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	AWRON + JB4 = Fvck me ? Hey guys, I've been reading a lot, and it seems I'm fvcked ! When plugged in, my AWRON gauge stops my JB4 and makes the car ride N/A. It feels no power, and says around 190hp... Any idea on how to deal ? Seems it is a CAN conflict... __________________ NOW: '11 BMW 1M AW "Nabila" PREVIOUS: '09 BMW 335i DKG (DCT) "never too big" BEFORE:'09 BMW 135i F1 Sauber Edition 120/135 Team Homyseed
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MDORPHN Colonel 291 Rep 2,898 Posts Drives: AW 1M Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wash, DC iTrader: (0)	Same issue with JB4 and a P3 vent gauge. They fight over the canbus so neither works properly. Neil
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Nagata-San Homyseed 69 Rep 261 Posts Drives: '11 BMW 1M AW Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	P3 isn't the same as Awron, is it ? @mike, any link for me ? __________________ NOW: '11 BMW 1M AW "Nabila" PREVIOUS: '09 BMW 335i DKG (DCT) "never too big" BEFORE:'09 BMW 135i F1 Sauber Edition 120/135 Team Homyseed
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No Style 135is Private First Class 8 Rep 187 Posts Drives: '90 gtr r32 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Albany, NY iTrader: (0)	Any update for jb4 together with awron guage? This is because I just ordered the guage and about to do jb4 after.
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Nagata-San Homyseed 69 Rep 261 Posts Drives: '11 BMW 1M AW Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	Sold the AWRON __________________ NOW: '11 BMW 1M AW "Nabila" PREVIOUS: '09 BMW 335i DKG (DCT) "never too big" BEFORE:'09 BMW 135i F1 Sauber Edition 120/135 Team Homyseed
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03-18-2018, 09:02 PM	#17
wcc135i New Member 2 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 135i N55 Dinan Stg 3 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (0)	Ugh. My car came with the AWRON gauge installed. I've been planning on doing JB4 and a DP. The threads I've seen that say the JB4 and AWRON gauge are not compatible are from 2015. Is there any update to this? Am I still screwed? Dammit. I really want JB4 and a DP.
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03-18-2018, 11:42 PM	#18
Neiman Levenson First Lieutenant 258 Rep 373 Posts Drives: 2008 135i M-sport Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Richmond, Virginia iTrader: (0)	ditch the JB4 and do MHD full flash or even a custom map through MHD. It should work with AWRON and MHD > JB4 anyways lol __________________ 2010 LeMans Blue 6MT M-Sport \| Motiv 800 Single Turbo https://www.youtube.com/c/NeimanLevenson https://www.instagram.com/neiman_levenson/?hl=en
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Neiman Levenson First Lieutenant 258 Rep 373 Posts Drives: 2008 135i M-sport Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Richmond, Virginia iTrader: (0)	I cant say for certain cause Ive never done it, but my understanding is the JB4 doesnt work because it is a piggyback tune and tricks the DME, therefor the AWRON which reads from the DME is tricked also and not compatible. MHD is a full flash and doesn't trick the DME or isnt a piggyback, so I dont see why it wouldn't work. Maybe someone with experience can chime in to confirm, but you should be fine with MHD! __________________ 2010 LeMans Blue 6MT M-Sport \| Motiv 800 Single Turbo https://www.youtube.com/c/NeimanLevenson https://www.instagram.com/neiman_levenson/?hl=en
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03-19-2018, 12:15 PM	#21
drwillb BMW Fan 289 Rep 838 Posts Drives: e30 M3, e30 M3, e46 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: northern NJ iTrader: (4)	AWRON, P3, and JB4 all tap into the CAN BUS system for info on parameters being measured. For reasons beyond my level of understanding, only one of the above aftermarket (and probably any others) can tap into the data flow at one time. __________________ 2012 135i Mods: air scoops, CP, K&N filter, PS1, ADE FMIC, BMW PE, JB4, 1M front body, full M3 suspension front and rear, M3 brakes front and rear, M3 rear subframe and LSD Owned so far: 88 M3 x 2, 95 325is, 95 M3 x 2, 06 Mini Cooper S, 08 335 xi, 09 Z4 35i, 01 M3, 12 135i
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03-19-2018, 03:05 PM	#22
wcc135i New Member 2 Rep 21 Posts Drives: 135i N55 Dinan Stg 3 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (0)	That makes sense. Does the MHD tune tap into the CAN BUS?
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