Breaking News Part III - 135i Coupe Info (Preliminary)

Garrett · 10-09-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

any idea how much 2 power seats weigh compared to manual seats? i believe that there is a motor in each seat for every type of motion; so that would be 3 motors per seat?, plus wiring? total weight then would be???? i'll guess uneducatedly 60lbs:iono:.

Those motors are really small. All of them can't weigh more than 8lbs.

BMWeber · 10-09-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

Those motors are really small. All of them can't weigh more than 8lbs.

ya but it's not just the motors. you have all the gear racks and and stuff. historically BMW power seats are pretty beefy. I wouldn't say 60lbs a piece but I wouldn't doubt 40-60lbs for the pair.

inTgr8r · 10-09-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWeber

ya but it's not just the motors. you have all the gear racks and and stuff. historically BMW power seats are pretty beefy. I wouldn't say 60lbs a piece but I wouldn't doubt 40-60lbs for the pair.

^ that'd be my guess as well.
~20lb per seat.

Also...
with the sport seats you will get power bolster adjustment, but NO lumbar.
(.....I've been down that road before)

However, lumbar can be retrofitted .... (I've seen some DIY posts elsewhere)

SCA · 10-09-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fishbulb

I am just glad to see that you CAN get manual seats on a 135. I just hope that the lumbar option does not require power or the premium package.

It will be like the 3-Series, lumbar will only be availalbe if you order the Prem Pkg. Not available as a stand-alone option.

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Originally Posted by Em_What?

are the sport seats in the sport package going to be in leather as well? what do the sport seats look like?

Too bad we'll have to settle for automatic with paddle shifters just to get the other stuff in the sports package.

:mad:

You will only have leather seats if you order the stand-alone option or Prem Pkg.

You will only get the paddle shifters auto transmission and sport pkg. You can order the SP w/o the auto trans. and receive the items within the pkg. (minus paddle shifters).

hector · 10-09-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWeber

ya but it's not just the motors. you have all the gear racks and and stuff. historically BMW power seats are pretty beefy. I wouldn't say 60lbs a piece but I wouldn't doubt 40-60lbs for the pair.

thanks! i did mean 60lbs for the pair as well although i was attributing most of that to the motors.

mikeo · 10-09-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

any idea how much 2 power seats weigh compared to manual seats? i believe that there is a motor in each seat for every type of motion; so that would be 3 motors per seat?, plus wiring? total weight then would be???? i'll guess uneducatedly 60lbs:iono:.

That's what the power seats in my E36 M3 weighed, EACH -- heavy muthas.

Propagator · 10-09-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeo

That's what the power seats in my E36 M3 weighed, EACH -- heavy muthas.

That's more in line of what I've heard. I've seen people that have taken apart their cars use 100lbs as a rough estimate for the power seat. (for pair)

hector · 10-09-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spinzero

That's more in line of what I've heard. I've seen people that have taken apart their cars use 100lbs as a rough estimate for the power seat. (for pair)

well; 3% of the total weight of the car; that settles it for me.

grant · 10-09-2007, 11:10 AM

For anyone doing Euro Delivery, sounds like Sport Package is mandatory for Autobahn fun...

Propagator · 10-09-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

well; 3% of the total weight of the car; that settles it for me.

100lbs seems a bit too much for what it is, but it needs to be crash worthy, so maybe that explains it.

I was never tempted by the power seat, I'm pretty much the only one that drives my car and I have absolutely no problem doing the 10 sec adjustment a few times a year with my hand. Even if it wasn't so heavy, that's one electric motor that I don't need.

I do like lumbar though, I hope the sports seat without the lumber is comfortable for me in long distance. It sure as hell feels nice when i just sit in it briefly.

hector · 10-09-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spinzero

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I was never tempted by the power seat, I'm pretty much the only one that drives my car and I have absolutely no problem doing the 10 sec adjustment a few times a year with my hand. Even if it wasn't so heavy, that's one electric motor that I don't need...

ditto, don't have power seats in my dd cobalt and it never enters my consciousness.

redwood · 10-09-2007, 11:24 AM

I'm a little disappointed that there IS a sports package option. I was under the impression that the sports stuff would be standard. Hopefully it won't be too pricey since the suspension and other items are unchanged. Also, I personally would prefer the chrome trim to the shadowline. Still, I want the premium package and probably premium radio (I had it in my E36 M3 and not in my E46 3 and I miss it) + iPod/USB as well. I see the price going toward the edge of my budget or possibly beyond depending on the base price.

hector · 10-09-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Redwood

I'm a little disappointed that there IS a sports package option. I was under the impression that the sports stuff would be standard...

why shouldn't there be a choice? some people, possibly including myself, may want "regular" wheels and tires for practical reasons. i intend to use the car as a dd over long distances on less than pristine roads. much as i appreciate the advantages of the sp in spirited driving i don't want to cringe over every pothole and other road hazard that i encounter not to mention that the all seasons can be driven in winter, will last twice as long and will cost less to replace.

inTgr8r · 10-09-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

why shouldn't there be a choice? some people, possibly including myself, may want "regular" wheels and tires for practical reasons. i intend to use the car as a dd over long distances on less than pristine roads. much as i appreciate the advantages of the sp in spirited driving i don't want to cringe over every pothole and other road hazard that i encounter not to mention that the all seasons can be driven in winter, will last twice as long and will cost less to replace.

The other reason, is that some people just don't fit into sport seats.
So they pretty much have to option it this way.

imported_MPower · 10-09-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

why shouldn't there be a choice? some people, possibly including myself, may want "regular" wheels and tires for practical reasons. i intend to use the car as a dd over long distances on less than pristine roads. much as i appreciate the advantages of the sp in spirited driving i don't want to cringe over every pothole and other road hazard that i encounter not to mention that the all seasons can be driven in winter, will last twice as long and will cost less to replace.

Understand the ZSP only adds mostly cosmetic changes. It does not change anything to the suspension, or wheels/tires. All the drive-related mechanical 'sport' bits are already standard.

The ZSP will be necessary for me because I want an M Sport steering wheel, I want sport seats and need the oil cooler.

redwood · 10-09-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hector

why shouldn't there be a choice? some people, possibly including myself, may want "regular" wheels and tires for practical reasons. i intend to use the car as a dd over long distances on less than pristine roads. much as i appreciate the advantages of the sp in spirited driving i don't want to cringe over every pothole and other road hazard that i encounter not to mention that the all seasons can be driven in winter, will last twice as long and will cost less to replace.

Well, the 17" wheels and all-season tires are a no cost option not associated with the sport package. I can see what you're saying and am glad it's a no cost option for people that want a smoother ride, longer lasting tires, or live where there's colder weather. I'm just talking about the stuff like the steering wheel, sport seats and oil cooler. I can see some bigger people wanting non-sport seats if they are of the wider variety (I'm 6'7" and 250lbs and I still want sport seats). While comfy, my non-sport seats in my E46 sure suck when I do any fast driving or autocrossing.

imported_moto_za · 10-09-2007, 11:46 AM

are you talking about us fat americans j/k

Genericuser1 · 10-09-2007, 11:46 AM

Although RWD and all-season probably isn't the best idea. I'd reccommend getting dedicated snows and rims.

I think I'd need to go Sport, Keyless start, leather and bun warmers so special order.

imported_moto_za · 10-09-2007, 11:50 AM

Anyone know if we can place a special order for a 5 seater rather than a 4?

inTgr8r · 10-09-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by moto_za

Anyone know if we can place a special order for a 5 seater rather than a 4?

sorry.... no you can't.

hector · 10-09-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Redwood

(I'm 6'7" and 250lbs..

yikes

, if i had known that i would have agreed with you in the first place:redface:. seriously though, i see your points:smile:.

bradford · 10-09-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateDriver

Yes, for the memory drivers seat & the resale value.

Resale value is questionable with respect to power seats in this car. A certain portion of the market will specifically be looking for the lighter manual seat option.

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redwood Second Lieutenant 2 Rep 292 Posts Drives: 1999 BMW 328i Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	I'm a little disappointed that there IS a sports package option. I was under the impression that the sports stuff would be standard. Hopefully it won't be too pricey since the suspension and other items are unchanged. Also, I personally would prefer the chrome trim to the shadowline. Still, I want the premium package and probably premium radio (I had it in my E36 M3 and not in my E46 3 and I miss it) + iPod/USB as well. I see the price going toward the edge of my budget or possibly beyond depending on the base price.
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