1-Series Coupe compared to the E92 (3-Series Coupe)

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Originally Posted by spinzero

Shouldn't she be doing that before she starts driving?

Of course, and she does it every time.

But then it seems to need re-adjustment at the 1st stoplight. And the next... :biggrin:

CONTROL YOUR WOMENZ! :biggrin:

That doesn't work even in a dream, let alone in real life.

[BillyInLasVegas]

Originally Posted by grg

I've always been under the impression... and have been told since day one of driving, that manuals have better 0-60 times. This of course is completely based on the driver's experience.

Also, doesn't the average manual trans. weight more than the average auto trans? In addition a manual trans allows the driver to drop the clutch from a higher rpm for a faster launch... not that i would know or anything

No the average Auto is heavier and I don't see how they could prevent you from dropping the clutch at high RPMs.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by BillyInLasVegas

No the average Auto is heavier and I don't see how they could prevent you from dropping the clutch at high RPMs.

Launch control.

5th gear did a Audi TT Manual vs Audi TT DSG shoot out recently and the automatic beat the manual. Manual is still more satisfying to drive but it doesn't always hold the faster time. Manual will be a thing of the past in next 5-10 years.

[Brandon26pdx]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDriver

- 1.1" higher, 8.4" shorter, 1.4" narrower

- 1.3" less front shoulder room, 4.5" more rear shoulder room

- 128i / 100 lbs. lighter than a 328i

- 135i / 200 lbs. lighter than a 335i

- 0-60 MPH 128i (M/A) 6.1/6.7 sec.

- 0-60 MPH 135i (M/A) 5.1/5.2 sec.

Any guesses as to what the actual weight difference will be between the 128 and 135?

I'm curious about what the weight penalties will look like to have all the extra go-fast hardware on the 135. I know the N54 engine weighs a good 75 lbs more than the N52 already.

[npd2983]

Folks,

Don't you all think the back seats of the 1 series would have less, not more, shoulder room than the 3 series?

Maybe I am missing something, but that looks like a typo.

Regards,
Neil

[grant]

Originally Posted by hector

dude, that was a simple statement of fact, i've already stated elsewhere that i'm not getting the power seats because of the weight. forget to take your prozac today?

Sorry:redface:

[dna550]

Originally Posted by npd2983

Folks,

Don't you all think the back seats of the 1 series would have less, not more, shoulder room than the 3 series?

Maybe I am missing something, but that looks like a typo.

Regards,
Neil

I attribute the greater rear shoulder room in the 1 series to the fact that the rear windows of the 1 Series coupe are fixed while the rear windows in the 3 series coupe are not.

So, no typo and score one for the 1.

[Robert]

I still can't believe 135i is 200 lbs lighter than 335i

[hector]

Originally Posted by grant

Sorry:redface:

we're cool.:smile:.

[NJKSC27]

Originally Posted by robert

I still can't believe 135i is 200 lbs lighter than 335i

yea its great.....

but not in the damn snow!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by dna550

I attribute the greater rear shoulder room in the 1 series to the fact that the rear windows of the 1 Series coupe are fixed while the rear windows in the 3 series coupe are not.

My E92 has fixed rear windows. All E92s do. E93 has opening windows...

The only thing the E92 has that the E82 doesn't is probably the seatbelt valet, which is housed in the upper side rear window sill. That seems to be the narrowest part of the rear seat so I guess it can be the reason for the shoulder width difference.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by NJKSC27

yea its great.....

but not in the damn snow!! :mad:

I wouldn't worry too much... lighter doesn't make it worse in snow.
A well balanced car will do just fine in snow. (with proper tires)

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by dsts6

Wait a second, the 1 series coupe is going to be higher then the 3 series?
Isn't this not good for performance considering they are marketing this as a back to basics car? Or did they make it higher because it is narrower and they are trying to increase space? Personally I would rather have shorter and wider. The weight....I can't comment on because I haven't yet looked at the overall weight but lets hope that this is truly a significant decrease.

Don't you guys watch BMW-web.tv ...? I just let it run in the background on the bigscreen while I'm programming.

Just pick the style of movie up top and let them run. There is alot of hidden info these movies. Alot of propaganda too

Here: BMW-web.tv







-Garrett

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by TheUltimateDriver

- 128i / 100 lbs. lighter than a 328i

- 135i / 200 lbs. lighter than a 335i

Interesting... interesting...

Why is the 135 200lbs lighter than the 335, and the 128 is only 100lbs lighter than the 328 ??

One would have thought that the weight difference would have been the same. I guess BMW must have added ballast (dead weight) to the 128i to achieve the 50/50 weight distribution ??

[Brandon26pdx]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Interesting... interesting...

Why is the 135 200lbs lighter than the 335, and the 128 is only 100lbs lighter than the 328 ??

One would have thought that the weight difference would have been the same. I guess BMW must have added ballast (dead weight) to the 128i to achieve the 50/50 weight distribution ??

The 328i is probably significantly lighter than the 335i to begin with:iono:

[Khobin~]

It could also have something to do with the added available options that were taken into account when weighing. Like if they took the weights for the base models of each, well there's more options on the 335 and 135 then the 328 and 128, and they also differ between the 335 and 135...all of which could add or remove a few pound here and there to get the 100 lb difference of the difference.

[Genericuser1]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

I wouldn't worry too much... lighter doesn't make it worse in snow.
A well balanced car will do just fine in snow. (with proper tires)

Only had one year of experience on it but my wife's FWD 4,000llb minivan (all-seasons)seems to do better than my 3,000lb RWD sportcar (snows). In every day snow driving its pretty good but going up an incline slowly (like my driveway to the garage is a bitch).

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

Only had one year of experience on it but my wife's FWD 4,000llb minivan (all-seasons)seems to do better than my 3,000lb RWD sportcar (snows). In every day snow driving its pretty good but going up an incline slowly (like my driveway to the garage is a bitch).

Yeah... I know what you mean.
but there are a few variables there as well, with completely different vehicles.

What I was trying to point out was;
On the same car...
If a 135i weighed 3300lb
& weight was reduced by 200 lb keeping the same weight distribution
The 135 weighing 3100lb wouldn't be much different in the snow.

Now... if you took that 3100lb 135 & put a 200lb sack of sand in the boot...
It'd have much more traction in snow & get you up the driveway no problem.
The downside would be an ass happy fishtailing beast on corners :frown:

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by GreenMonster

Interesting... interesting...

Why is the 135 200lbs lighter than the 335, and the 128 is only 100lbs lighter than the 328 ??

One would have thought that the weight difference would have been the same. I guess BMW must have added ballast (dead weight) to the 128i to achieve the 50/50 weight distribution ??

In fact I would've thought that it would be the other way around. All else being equal, the bigger brakes and aero kit would add some weight, which are absent from the 335i. :iono:

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Originally Posted by spinzero

In fact I would've thought that it would be the other way around. All else being equal, the bigger brakes and aero kit would add some weight, which are absent from the 335i. :iono:

Brake rotor diameter is not greater than the one on the 335 - in fact the opposite is true: 13.7" front on the 335, 13.4" front for the 135.

Calipers could be heavier, but we won't know for sure until someone actually weighs both.

Aero kit weighs probably within ounces of the standard bumpers/skirts.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by npd2983

Folks,

Don't you all think the back seats of the 1 series would have less, not more, shoulder room than the 3 series?

Maybe I am missing something, but that looks like a typo.

Regards,
Neil

Could be measured per seating position? Only 2 in the 135i vs. 3 in the 335i?

Just a hypothesis - probably not the case.

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Originally Posted by bradford

Could be measured per seating position? Only 2 in the 135i vs. 3 in the 335i?

335 Coupe has seating for 2 in the back, just like 135 Coupe.