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      07-15-2010, 10:28 AM   #23
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.........no offense but you might need to be quicker (take it with a grain of salt)
umm that's what I was saying. You have to reverse steer it faster to catch the tail. But as fast I cranked the wheel I could never grab it.
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      07-15-2010, 10:36 AM   #24
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      07-15-2010, 10:41 AM   #25
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I don't buy the entire "value proposition" argument. You could save $2k and get a lower powered, more effecient vehicle... both are things you value. Paying extra, for something that isn't important to you, (regardless of the price), isn't value.

Also, you don't get the 135i if you are looking to save the worlds oil supply and go green.

You really are right, it is a silly point, but my look at it was that I get a lot of advanced systems, as well as a "more expensive" engine, at a discount rate relative to the parts costs on the 128i.

Neither the 135 or 128 is a go green vehicle in any way. If you are looking for that, you shop elsewhere.

I can make the same 120 hp from a 128 engine or a 135 engine. However when desired, the 35 is obviously more capable. That capability constitutes a "value". Granted it may be less efficient than another option in doing this.

If I wanted a purist vehicle, Id have just bought an additional mercedes w123 chassis car or BMW E30 318i. It is finding the best combination of traits given the tradespace. If I were in Europe, my selections for a 1er would be different due to expanded tradespace. Here in the US, the 135i constituted the best option in my (irrelevant to everyone else) thought process.
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      07-15-2010, 06:22 PM   #26
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In previous tech talk columns, Mike Miller has also praised the 135i and called it (with 6MT) the sportiest new BMW you can buy.

Being the tech talk editor, Mike Miller obviously placed great emphasis on reliability, value, and preaches the "old school" way of driving. Which means the additional luxury features on the 135i are not necessary for the driving experience.
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      07-15-2010, 09:50 PM   #27
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In previous tech talk columns, Mike Miller has also praised the 135i and called it (with 6MT) the sportiest new BMW you can buy.

Being the tech talk editor, Mike Miller obviously placed great emphasis on reliability, value, and preaches the "old school" way of driving. Which means the additional luxury features on the 135i are not necessary for the driving experience.
An engine is a luxury?
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      07-15-2010, 09:51 PM   #28
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Thanks, this one worked great article!

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      07-15-2010, 09:55 PM   #29
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An engine is a luxury?
We could assume that he was talking about things like leather and xenon headlights that aren't standard on the US model 128i but are on the 135i.
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      07-15-2010, 10:09 PM   #30
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very good article. I love my car
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      07-15-2010, 11:13 PM   #31
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I found that article really refreshing

An evaluation of the 1 on its own merits, not another purist lament that it isn't a 2002.

I don't know about you guys, but I find the 1's and the M3 are the most appealing drivers in BMW's current lineup. A 120d would be interesting as a DD I would think, but we'll never see it over here.
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      07-15-2010, 11:24 PM   #32
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Gee, maybe I have ESP. I test-drove a 128 with an auto, and decided the same car with a stick would be a fun car to drive.

I decided a year ago to special-order a 128 with a stick and M-Sport. I've been very happy with the car.

To a degree, it takes me back to my days with my first-year-USA VW GTI, back in '83. Just a simple, fun car to take out and drive quickly, whenever the mood strikes, though the 128 has made me appreciate RWD and weight balance for great handling.

I applaud anyone for their BMW driving choice. Any model, any configuration. I will simply state that fun driving can put my bad mood into a good mood, and the 128 does that nicely.

And, yes, I am older (57). But, come Monday morning, I will drive the 128 the long way to the bank to deposit my retirement check, and just blast around the countryside afterwards : )
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      07-16-2010, 01:56 AM   #33
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A big smile came across my face when my dad pointed out this article to me in the Roundel. I love my 128i and the great driving experience it gives me!
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      08-31-2010, 09:07 AM   #34
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Does anyone have a .pdf of this article? BMWCCA doesn't have this issue in their digital archive that I could see. Thanks.

EDIT: Okay, just picked up a hard copy on eBay, but if there is a .pdf available that anyone knows about, it would be nice to have as well.
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      08-31-2010, 09:14 AM   #35
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In previous tech talk columns, Mike Miller has also praised the 135i and called it (with 6MT) the sportiest new BMW you can buy.

Being the tech talk editor, Mike Miller obviously placed great emphasis on reliability, value, and preaches the "old school" way of driving. Which means the additional luxury features on the 135i are not necessary for the driving experience.
The brakes on the 135 were more of an influence on my purchase than the engine. With the HPFP problems, I often wish I had bought a 128.
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      08-31-2010, 01:11 PM   #36
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Regarding economy, the rated gas mileage of the 128 and 135 are not very different, maybe 3 mpg more on highway with 128.
I think if you rev the 128 high enough to get in the sweet spot of the torque band vs the lower revs required in th3 135, there's probably no significant difference.
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      08-31-2010, 01:54 PM   #37
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Regarding economy, the rated gas mileage of the 128 and 135 are not very different, maybe 3 mpg more on highway with 128.
I think if you rev the 128 high enough to get in the sweet spot of the torque band vs the lower revs required in th3 135, there's probably no significant difference.
Eh, not necessarily. If you go on boost, you're going to suck down some fuel. When on boost, forced induction engines consume far larger volumes of air than NA engines, and thus more fuel. This is true even at lower RPMs.

A turbocharged engine is only a net positive when compared to a larger displacement engine that must move large volumes of air all the time.
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      08-31-2010, 02:31 PM   #38
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The part that really stuck out to me from the article is when he says something along the lines of with the 135i, you just put your foot down and steer. With the 128i, you _have_ to drive the car - downshift, etc. I notice this all the time.. when I want lazy driving, I just keep it in low rpms and it is a quiet, comfortable machine. If I am feeling the need for recklessness I stay above 4k rpms and it is a lot of fun!!

He also mentions how the brakes are great for the street, but they lack the urgent bite of the brembos in the 135i. I couldn't agree more. I upgraded the brakes to the BMW performance and loved the bite. With the stock brakes, I had to work hard to get 0.6 gs of deceleration, now its no sweat! very noticeable!

I also love my 128i.
I can guarantee you, my 6-speed 135i requires shifting as well in order to minimize lap times at autocross....



Also, both the 128i and 135i require you to "put down your foot and steer". To say you HAVE to shift in the 128i and not in the 135i is retarded. Both engines uses gears to their advantage....


To the guy that was having over-steer problems: I drift this car a lot, and it works surprisingly well considering the open diff. The trick is to be prepared for the torque hit when the turbos come on, it's almost like I progressively throw in counter-steer as the wheels spin harder from boost coming on. I agree, it IS much different than throwing around a NA engine.
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      08-31-2010, 02:44 PM   #39
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I've always thought that while the 135i is a better car, the 128i is a better BMW. Its more of a pure driving experience and more closely tied to BMW's roots.
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Eh, not necessarily. If you go on boost, you're going to suck down some fuel. When on boost, forced induction engines consume far larger volumes of air than NA engines, and thus more fuel. This is true even at lower RPMs.

A turbocharged engine is only a net positive when compared to a larger displacement engine that must move large volumes of air all the time.
I'd love to see some real world numbers. I average about 20mpg in my 335, spending quite a bit of time in stop/go traffic mixed in with sprints at 80mph when there's no traffic and some spirited driving on the side roads.

Any comparisons out there for 128 vs 135?
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I can guarantee you, my 6-speed 135i requires shifting as well in order to minimize lap times at autocross....
He was talking about driving the back roads of Vermont, so my impression of the article is that he is referring to when the car is already at a cruising speed and you want to accelerate (around an idiot or out of a corner). For that type of driving I would agree with him as you instantly have the low end torque in the 135 and shouldn't be too far off boost so you shouldn't need to downshift, which means you can just press the gas and steer. The N52, however, requires you to down shift a gear or two to get into the right RPM range if you want the real acceleration it can give.

There is of course nothing preventing you from down shifting your 135 in such a situation, it's just not as critical.
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He was talking about driving the back roads of Vermont, so my impression of the article is that he is referring to when the car is already at a cruising speed and you want to accelerate (around an idiot or out of a corner). For that type of driving I would agree with him as you instantly have the low end torque in the 135 and shouldn't be too far off boost so you shouldn't need to downshift, which means you can just press the gas and steer. The N52, however, requires you to down shift a gear or two to get into the right RPM range if you want the real acceleration it can give.

There is of course nothing preventing you from down shifting your 135 in such a situation, it's just not as critical.
I know, and your response is logical. I just don't like when people make it sound like the 135i requires LESS driving skill to operate. In fact, I would say it is the opposite, especially when you start playing with tunes.
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I dunno, I always saw the 128i as a car you keep vs. a 135i where you move on when the warranty and lease is up lol
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I just don't like when people make it sound like the 135i requires LESS driving skill to operate.
Then you probably won't like this

I can actually see a valid argument for the 135 taking less skill as a daily driver even if you are pushing it beyond legal limits (but not to either yours or the car's), having fun with on/off ramps, etc... With the 128, you have to better understand how the engine performs and how you need to work the transmission to get the best effect when playing with it like that. Because of the power of the 135, you can get away with being a little sloppy in how you apply the power (e.g. to go from 65 to 85 most people will be impressed with what the 135 will do in 6th while the 128 will require going down to 5th or even 4th to get that same "wow" factor).

I would also argue that at the limits (e.g. track), the 135 doesn't take any more skill over the 128. They just take different skill sets (assuming the power train is the only difference between the cars) based on how they apply their power.

Now I will agree that, because of the additional power and all that goes with it, you should have a higher skill set as the 135 is going to get to your personal limits before the 128 and result in more unprepared idiots in accidents.

Don't get me wrong though, I think the 135 is a great car and would be getting it instead of a 128 if I thought that BMW knew how to build a sound turbo system (e.g. HPFP issues still not proven to be solved). They both have their own unique skill requirements and benefits/detriments.
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