1M/M3 front suspension in 135i?

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

maybe the best solution is m4 spindle:

Increible great contribution of KevM3UK:
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=141

m4 have same distance as standard E9x or 135i for example. caliper of 135 sure fit in spindle m4, the problem is rotor, maybe not compatible.

other solution is m4 spindle with m4 brakes like post of KevM3UK

Hi,

M2 Spindles (same for M2 M3 M4 Fxx) are in order!!!

a big THANKS to KevM3UK for his great contribution.

I am confident that the 135 calipers will fit. But less confident about compatibility with the rotors... do anyone know if the 135i rotor fit on M2/M4 spindle & 135i caliper?

Ideally I would like to fit M3 E46 CSL rotors 34 11 2 282 445 & 34 11 2 282 446 with tronik brackets.

as you know they are bigger (Dia. 345/ 338 ; Th. 28/26) and lighter than 135 ones.

and if i am correct, no clearance problem with my 18" 261 wheels

The bonus is they have the x3 more holes that match with pins on the M2 hub

M4 ones are too much for my use.

Thanks

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

Hi,

M2 Spindles (same for M2 M3 M4 Fxx) are in order!!!

a big THANKS to KevM3UK for his great contribution.

I am confident that the 135 calipers will fit. But less confident about compatibility with the rotors... do anyone know if the 135i rotor fit on M2/M4 spindle & 135i caliper?

Ideally I would like to fit M3 E46 CSL rotors 34 11 2 282 445 & 34 11 2 282 446 with tronik brackets.

as you know they are bigger (Dia. 345/ 338 ; Th. 28/26) and lighter than 135 ones.

and if i am correct, no clearance problem with my 18" 261 wheels

The bonus is they have the x3 more holes that match with pins on the M2 hub

M4 ones are too much for my use.

Thanks

i want just same as you, please if you find any ones let me know.
135i rotor will fit if you make drill x3 pins or shave in support. but i think the 135 caliper will gain distance and need big disk, than original. the way is put caliper and check measure, after search disk.

adapter of csl i think not valid, because caliper maybe is mounted in different distance.

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

i want just same as you, please if you find any ones let me know.
135i rotor will fit if you make drill x3 pins or shave in support. but i think the 135 caliper will gain distance and need big disk, than original. the way is put caliper and check measure, after search disk.

adapter of csl i think not valid, because caliper maybe is mounted in different distance.

Ahah!

i have been very lucky to find it

You can try here :

https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/



Here there is some interresting pictures about E46csl bracket :
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/BMW-E82-E90-...wAAOSwUm5cDX68


What calipers and discs will you use?

What front shocks will you use?

Thanks

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

Ahah!

i have been very lucky to find it

You can try here :

https://www.schmiedmann.com/en/



Here there is some interresting pictures about E46csl bracket :
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/BMW-E82-E90-...wAAOSwUm5cDX68


What calipers and discs will you use?

What front shocks will you use?

Thanks

fine,

i have full 135i brakes, rear and front and supension in rear i have bilstein b16 M3, and in front Mpacket
rear i have complete conversion to M3, in front all arms. but need knucle. in first moment i look e9x m3 knuckle but just i look post of compatibility with m4 knuckle and now preffer this.

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

fine,

i have full 135i brakes, rear and front and supension in rear i have bilstein b16 M3, and in front Mpacket
rear i have complete conversion to M3, in front all arms. but need knucle. in first moment i look e9x m3 knuckle but just i look post of compatibility with m4 knuckle and now preffer this.

Nice, i hope you will find the knuckles. Keep us inform.

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

Nice, i hope you will find the knuckles. Keep us inform.

just i buy in schmiedmann, Thanks you

pair for 262.88 EUR shipped, (using professional account with NIF, no VAT fee) so price is very good
great price, better than ebay prices.
pity that it does not bring the protective plates of rotors.

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

just i buy in schmiedmann, Thanks you

pair for 262.88 EUR shipped, (using professional account with NIF, no VAT fee) so price is very good
great price, better than ebay prices.
pity that it does not bring the protective plates of rotors.

Nice! happy to help you.

& you pay it less than me

we just have to find the best solution for brakes now.

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

Nice! happy to help you.

& you pay it less than me

we just have to find the best solution for brakes now.

one friend are professional and order it for me. and i save VAT

Originally Posted by ornicar

we just have to find the best solution for brakes now.

sure. between the 2, and forum help maybe we get a solution
Cross fingers ;-)

[ruben_17non]

im not 100% sure about this, but i look m4 caliper mounted in not M4 need disk with -10mm, m4 mount 380mm and m4 caliper mounted in E9X, E8X or any F8X etc need 370mm

so this extra 10mm is provided by m4/3/2 knucle mount.
if offset is match, should be possible e46 csl rotors with 135 caliper in m4 knuckle. without customs adapters

135i is 338X26, if i not wrong will be possible 348x26+/-2mm
and e46 csl is 345X28

If this is so, we would be happy

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

im not 100% sure about this, but i look m4 caliper mounted in not M4 need disk with -10mm, m4 mount 380mm and m4 caliper mounted in E9X, E8X or any F8X etc need 370mm

so this extra 10mm is provided by m4/3/2 knucle mount.
if offset is match, should be possible e46 csl rotors with 135 caliper in m4 knuckle. without customs adapters

135i is 338X26, if i not wrong will be possible 348x26+/-2mm
and e46 csl is 345X28

If this is so, we would be happy

that make sens. a good thing would be to find worn rotors and make a try.

The Knuckles are arrived today. they are in perfect condition.

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

that make sens. a good thing would be to find worn rotors and make a try.

The Knuckles are arrived today. they are in perfect condition.

fine, very fast service

can you check if pin holes of disk (3x) ar 11mm, 2x screw for disk 8,8mm
and hub diameter 79mm? this is first start jejejejeje


we need measures of offset from original rotor of m2/3/4 but i not find,
for comparing with e46 csl rotor

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

fine, very fast service

can you check if pin holes of disk (3x) ar 11mm, 2x screw for disk 8,8mm
and hub diameter 79mm? this is first start jejejejeje


we need offset of original rotor of m2/3/4 but i not find

i will update tomorrow with dimensions.

i had check it before with ETK hub P/N.

for M2 disc, you can check on ATE brake site.

Edit: My mystake, i check on ATE and there is no datas about Fxx M Discs

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

i will update tomorrow with dimensions.

i had check it before with ETK hub P/N.

for M2 disc, you can check on ATE brake site.

Edit: My mystake, i check on ATE and there is no datas about Fxx M Discs

No data of f-series M disk, check in ATE, BREMBO,ZIMMERMAN...
but im sure at 99% have same offset as E92 M3 disk

if is at this, offset of M4 disk should be 62,3mm
E46m3 CSL is 52,5mm

9,8mm is factible fix with "spacer" between support and caliper and will not need aditional customs support

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

No data of f-series M disk, check in ATE, BREMBO,ZIMMERMAN...
but im sure at 99% have same offset as E92 M3 disk

if is at this, offset of M4 disk should be 62,3mm
E46m3 CSL is 52,5mm

9,8mm is factible fix with "spacer" between support and caliper and will not need aditional customs support

"Brand new calipers with modular mounts to suit 360mm E9X 1M rotor or F8X gen 380mm front rotor"

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1592761

i think you are correct about 1M offset / M Fxx offset. So if i am in phase with you, our need would be a 250mm disc with a 62,3mm offset?

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

"Brand new calipers with modular mounts to suit 360mm E9X 1M rotor or F8X gen 380mm front rotor"

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1592761

i think you are correct about 1M offset / M Fxx offset. So if i am in phase with you, our need would be a 250mm disc with a 62,3mm offset?

Exact, if i not fail, the "perfect" disk will 348x26+/-2mm offset 62,3mm
E46 CSl Is 345x28 offset 52,5mm this need spacer of 9,8mm

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

Exact, if i not fail, the "perfect" disk will 348x26+/-2mm offset 62,3mm
E46 CSl Is 345x28 offset 52,5mm this need spacer of 9,8mm

one thing to consider, is that offset on pictures is from outside face of the rotor, and what is important for us is from the inner face (fitting face). or we need to know the thickness of this face. ATE app on appstore is really convenient to do some searches easily.

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ornicar

one thing to consider, is that offset on pictures is from outside face of the rotor, and what is important for us is from the inner face (fitting face). or we need to know the thickness of this face. ATE app on appstore is really convenient to do some searches easily.

34 11 6 868 938

thickness is 30mm

[ruben_17non]

Originally Posted by ornicar

one thing to consider, is that offset on pictures is from outside face of the rotor, and what is important for us is from the inner face (fitting face). or we need to know the thickness of this face. ATE app on appstore is really convenient to do some searches easily.

yes, inner face is good know but ATE, not show this measure. Brembo yes, but brembo not have M disk for compare.

one friend, give me one disk of e46 m3 for test. is good because have same measures as csl. only CSL is more large.

other problem is, bearing of M4 is M14 bolt, and M3 is M12... drill wheel not good. maybe is need E9X M3 bearing...

[ornicar]

Cool, i wait for your comments about the M3 disc. for M14 thread Lugs instead M12 i know. you gave to use new Fxx M14 ones. the holes in the discs are large enough to accept M14 lugs.

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ornicar

Cool, i wait for your comments about the M3 disc. for M14 thread Lugs instead M12 i know. you gave to use new Fxx M14 ones. the holes in the discs are large enough to accept M14 lugs.

Hub dimensions.

[ruben_17non]

m14 lug, maybe not fit in E9X or E8x wheel

[ornicar]

Originally Posted by ruben_17non

m14 lug, maybe not fit in E9X or E8x wheel

you are right.

Fxx wheels on Exx hubs seems OK.

Exx wheels on Fxx hubs ???