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      11-05-2019, 04:18 AM   #1
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Lightbulb 2020 BMW M2 CS - The true 1M successor ?







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  • 2020 Model Year only
  • 2,200 will be produced worldwide (U.S. production numbers still TBD)
  • 444 hp / 406 lb-ft torque
  • 7600 rpm redline
  • 6 speed manual or 7 speed DCT
  • 3.8 second 0-60 (DCT)
  • 4.0 second 0-60 (manual)
  • 174 mph top speed
  • Three radiators, an oil cooler, two pumps in the oil pan, oil sump baffle
  • Transmission oil cooler (when equipped with DCT)
  • Electronic locking differential in the rear helps maintain traction both on the track and in slippery situations
  • Standard adaptive dampers with Comfort, Sport, and Sport+ modes
  • Steel subframe bolted to the body frame without bushings
  • Forged aluminum rear five-link suspension control arms and wheel hubs
  • 15.75-inch vented rotors with 6-piston fixed calipers up front
  • 14.96-inch vented rotors with 4-piston calipers in rear
  • Optional Carbon Ceramic Brakes
  • 19-inch forged wheels in a staggered setup with 245/35R19 tires up front and 265/35R19s in back
  • High-gloss black finish wheels standard
  • Matte gold finish wheels optional
  • Michelin Cup 2 tires or summer performance tires
  • Carbon fiber vented hood (1/2 weight of steel hood, increases downforce and has cooling effect)
  • Carbon fiber front splitter, rear spoiler, rear diffuser, and M mirrors
  • Carbon fiber transmission tunnel (saves 6 pounds)
  • Carbon fiber roof
  • Alcantara dashboard, armrests, and steering wheel
  • CS badge embroidered on dashboard
  • Black leather and Alcantara M Competition front seats featuring CS logo
  • Embroidered BMW M Motorsport stripes on front seats
  • 4 exterior colors: Alpine White, Misano Blue Metallic, Black Sapphire Metallic and Hockenheim Silver Metallic
  • 1 interior color: black
  • Only options are: 7-speed dual-clutch transmission, carbon ceramic brakes, matte gold wheels, and sticky Michelin Cup 2 tires.
  • Pricing and ordering details will be announced closer to the 2020 M2 CS's launch in spring 2020.

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Loving the specs so far

Will wait for first hand reviews and more importantly the way it handles
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      11-05-2019, 09:58 AM   #2
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Loveit!!!

But not successor. Just another variant of all the current BMW offerings, albeit a very cool one nonetheless. There won't be a successor to the 1M. Hydraulic racks are history, non-idrive cars are history.

With that said Kudos to BMW, it looks cool for the newer gen BMW fans.

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      11-05-2019, 10:48 AM   #3
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They forgot to list one of the no-cost options that will be attractive to half of the buyers:
  • CSL (collector shelf life) package. S55 engine delete since you won't be driving it anyway.
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I've had a deposit down on this car since May 2016. Very excited about it. Lots of sour grapes over on the M2 boards..."not special enough, not light enough, bad colors, etc etc". Funny, looking back at the 1M launch and people were saying the same thing. Ha!
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I've had a deposit down on this car since May 2016. Very excited about it. Lots of sour grapes over on the M2 boards..."not special enough, not light enough, bad colors, etc etc". Funny, looking back at the 1M launch and people were saying the same thing. Ha!
I was wondering about how the "hype" or talk of the new M2 CS compared to when the 1M was first announced. If people hate the blue launch color on the M2, I wonder how much the Valencia Orange was hated back in the day.
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I've had a deposit down on this car since May 2016. Very excited about it. Lots of sour grapes over on the M2 boards..."not special enough, not light enough, bad colors, etc etc". Funny, looking back at the 1M launch and people were saying the same thing. Ha!
I was wondering about how the "hype" or talk of the new M2 CS compared to when the 1M was first announced. If people hate the blue launch color on the M2, I wonder how much the Valencia Orange was hated back in the day.
It makes me think of Laguna Seca Blue on the E46 M3, it's a very similar color. Pre-forum days back then, but I remember the opinions were polarizing at my dealership then. Now, it's probably the most desired color for that car.
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It makes me think of Laguna Seca Blue on the E46 M3, it's a very similar color. Pre-forum days back then, but I remember the opinions were polarizing at my dealership then. Now, it's probably the most desired color for that car.
Years back someone had an E92 M3 made in Santorini Blue, he then put gold BBS LM wheels (I think) on it, I still think that was one of my favorite color combos/car builds honestly.
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The original N55 M2 is more of a successor, IMO.

As to the steering, I would not trade a 1M for an M2 CS, but some people have no issues with EPS steering. Everyone is different, but Hydraulic Steering is a massive distinction in driver Ďfeelí across all brands and models for me. The rear & mid-engine cars can mask it a little more, but still lack the feel of Hydraulic Steering.

The allure to the M2 CS would be an original owner possibility, with European delivery, on a car that will probably hold its value very well, due to small numbers.
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Successor?
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How much do we think it weighs?
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The original N55 M2 is more of a successor, IMO.
Agreed. It would have been cool to see what BMW could do to the 1M with more time and budget.

The only thing more 1M'ish about the new CS is the limited numbers.
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The original N55 M2 is more of a successor, IMO.
Agreed. It would have been cool to see what BMW could do to the 1M with more time and budget.

The only thing more 1M'ish about the new CS is the limited numbers.
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I've had a deposit down on this car since May 2016. Very excited about it. Lots of sour grapes over on the M2 boards..."not special enough, not light enough, bad colors, etc etc". Funny, looking back at the 1M launch and people were saying the same thing. Ha!
Yeah! However, didn't they start out with a production estimate of around 2000+ for the 1M to then jumping it up to 6000+

Honestly, who's to say that can't happen again?
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So what's it expected to cost?
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Yeah! However, didn't they start out with a production estimate of around 2000+ for the 1M to then jumping it up to 6000+

Honestly, who's to say that can't happen again?
I guess it's possible, but I'd doubt it, since the M2 and M2C already preceded the M2 CS.
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Looks great, will see how it turns out, when deliveries start filtering through.
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Is it correct to say that the CS is an M2C with a bunch of CF parts and cosmetic upgrades?
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I don't think I would buy it.

I have a 2018 M2, 6MT, totally stripped, no options whatsoever other than for replacement black front kidneys and side thingies I installed myself. It's a good car, in the context of what is being produced today. For me, it is actually one of my 2 winter cars (the other being a VW Golf R), but drive it by choice? Not really.

When and if I trade in the M2, it will probably be on a utilitarian vehicle of some sort. The jump from the M2 to such a car would not be unimaginable, at least for me.
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Is it correct to say that the CS is an M2C with a bunch of CF parts and cosmetic upgrades?
Looking at it on paper that does seem to be exactly that with a few hardware exceptions. But it is being hyped up as more than that and the price will determine a lot about it's relative 'value' over the M2 Competition.

Looking at the F8X CS reviews, most seem to agree that it was the best version of the F8X (Base, Competition, CS, GTS). It was just too expensive relative to it's competition in the marketplace. They are still sitting new on lots. If BMW prices the M2CS correctly it could have a worthwhile value over the M2C, but dealer markups are likely to blow that out of the water unfortunately due to the limited production; the demand for which is likely much higher than the F8X CS.

I do think that the factory tuning on everything will be another "more than the sum of it's parts" scenarios. The CS is getting M adaptive suspension (first time for this on the F87 chassis), combined with the forged wheels, roof, hood, specific exhaust and the rest of everything added up I think could make for a special car.

I will say that relative to the 1M I am already expecting to be let down in the steering feel of the EPS versus our hydraulic rack. However, the CS iterations seem to have the best version of that tune on offer. I am also expecting to love the motor in the M2CS more. The N54T is a ton of fun, the fat mid range torque gives it a lot of character; "little thug" as Chris Harris recently said. But the S55 is a beast, it's such a surge of power. In that it pulls hard to redline, it seems to be the spiritual successor to the S54 which I think will be great fun.

At the end of the day it's all speculation until someone actually drives it.
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Iím not sure why but I found the F8x CS much more interesting than the M2 CS. But like you say these things can often be much more than the sum of their parts (Exhibit A: 1M.)
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Don't see much here that is a successor in any way.


If anything it's getting further and further away from the 1M.

Give us a lighter and more basic car with less accessories and I'd consider it a 1M successor.

Also this thing will be $85-90k. Just LOL
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Personally, I kinda would have thought that BMW could have taken a page out of their own past and out of the Porsche playbook to make the M2CS more special. Carbon Fiber Trunk, and maybe delete some insulation or replace the rear trunk mat with cardboard like the E46 M3 CSL.

No need to take it as far or down the route of the M4 GTS, but stripping a few things away might have made the car seem more "special".
Get ride of the iDrive and keep a simple screen just for track specific data (Configurable gauges, lap timer, etc) and the mandatory back up camera.

Maybe offer the CS with more aggressive front bucket seats. Offer a rear seat delete. Maybe some more track specific brake cooling (real ducting to the front and rear brakes), you get the idea. If you're going to make a third version of an M3, I would assume each would be more and more raw or hardcore, and the CS just doing take it to the level I would have expected.
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What happens when you run a storied company built on real drivers' cars, and then you start to believe your own advertising and hype?

You're looking at it.
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