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Any 1M owners thinking about the M2cs?

Anyone considering making a move on a new M2cs?

Was thinking about it....but, I'm not so sure?

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If forced to shop new, an M2 variant would be near the top of my list, but I’d never trade an E82 for it, and I only have a modded 135i. A 1M? No way!
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If the 1M didn't exist then yes I would definitely have one but as I've said in the previous post I completely agree with Chris Harris and there's nothing out there that really interests me .
My 1M is a forever car and will eventually get past down to my son who loves it nearly as much as I do !
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I'm planning to get one, but will be keeping the 1M as well...will make that decision between the two later.
I was thinking the same...get one and keep both 😁

I'm just wondering if something completely different like a GT4 wouldn't be better than something similar like the M2 🤔
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I was thinking the same...get one and keep both 😁

I'm just wondering if something completely different like a GT4 wouldn't be better than something similar like the M2 🤔
Yeah , I can appreciate that. (I listen to Matt Farah on The Smoking Tire podcast and he loves to make fun of people who have multiples of basically the same car ). I work for a BMW store and have the opportunity to take Euro Delivery of the car which has been a long time dream! I'm very excited to finally get the chance to do that, and with an M2CS it would be pretty special.

Long term I'll probably sell one of the two and try to move into something mid-engine or roadster or both! F430's can now be had in the 80-90k range, or maybe an Exige or a Z4M roadster depending on funds.

I think there is not much harm if you can swing it to keep the 1M and then spend some quality time driving them back to back to make that tough decision.

I added an E46 M3 to the garage a couple years ago, after taking a trip where we were back to back swapping the 1M and the M3 it made it very clear to me which one I liked more.
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Spoke to a salesperson earlier today. No word yet on pricing and production - UK pricing appears inline with the GT4. He mentioned US production should be 500. Assuming it's $30-40k over what a decent 1M can be had for, it's not really apples to apples. See the M4 GTS for evidence of how these end of run special editions hold up value wise. Granted the M4 received some less than stellar reviews. Will the M2CS be that much better than an M2C to justify the big price difference? Probably not for me but who knows.

I have very little desire to play the M2CS speculation game and put a deposit down. Happy to have my "investment" chips in the 1M for now. I'd pair the 1M with a nice roundie 02 before jumping to a $100k M2.
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The 1M was priced right when new. The M2CS is priced too high for what it is.
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Spoke to a salesperson earlier today. No word yet on pricing and production - UK pricing appears inline with the GT4. He mentioned US production should be 500. Assuming it's $30-40k over what a decent 1M can be had for, it's not really apples to apples. See the M4 GTS for evidence of how these end of run special editions hold up value wise. Granted the M4 received some less than stellar reviews. Will the M2CS be that much better than an M2C to justify the big price difference? Probably not for me but who knows.

I have very little desire to play the M2CS speculation game and put a deposit down. Happy to have my "investment" chips in the 1M for now. I'd pair the 1M with a nice roundie 02 before jumping to a $100k M2.
I think it depends on how "special" the special edition is. The 1M was not a 135i with a few add-ons; that "honor" would fall on the 135is, of which I own a convertible example. Great car, but not a 1M.

Unless I am missing something, the 135is hasn't become a cult car and doesn't have much of a following, both of which are needed for a limited edition car to take off in the resale market.
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As an original owner I'm defiantly considering it, if I can get a allocation, and the price is semi reasonable.
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I think it depends on how "special" the special edition is. The 1M was not a 135i with a few add-ons; that "honor" would fall on the 135is, of which I own a convertible example. Great car, but not a 1M.

Unless I am missing something, the 135is hasn't become a cult car and doesn't have much of a following, both of which are needed for a limited edition car to take off in the resale market.
It’s a bit different in that the 135is was just a US-only, port-installed options package that’s pretty easily duplicated, if desired. Had BMW actually used a different suspension and added an LSD, the 135is would likely be more sought after.
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I think it depends on how "special" the special edition is. The 1M was not a 135i with a few add-ons; that "honor" would fall on the 135is, of which I own a convertible example. Great car, but not a 1M.

Unless I am missing something, the 135is hasn't become a cult car and doesn't have much of a following, both of which are needed for a limited edition car to take off in the resale market.
It’s a bit different in that the 135is was just a US-only, port-installed options package that’s pretty easily duplicated, if desired. Had BMW actually used a different suspension and added an LSD, the 135is would likely be more sought after.
Weren't all the 135is's in automatic as well???
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They are DCT.

M2CS standout features are (straight copy paste):
-Carbon fiber vented hood (1/2 weight of steel hood, increases downforce and has cooling effect)
-Carbon fiber transmission tunnel (saves 6 pounds)
-Carbon fiber roof

Rest are gimmicks. Brakes are detrimental, can't fit 18s over them a 400mm front rotor and that narrows down GOOD options for R-comp tyres.

The trans tunnel was a let down even though I've pasted it above. It saves 6 pounds because of the removal of the armrest - a common CS theme. The carbon itself doesn't mean much. Marketing at it's finest. I actually thought the trans tunnel, you know part of the unibody was constructed out of carbon then somehow attached to the unibody - that would've been interesting and cool. Really it's just a carbon armrest delete centre console.
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Weren't all the 135is's in automatic as well???
Mine is a 6MT convertible. The actual production numbers are available somewhere on the 135is thread, which I haven't visited in a very long time :-)

My recollection is that ~40 6MT convertibles were produced out of a total number in the low 200's. About twice as many coupes were made, with, I believe, a greater proportion as manuals than was true of the convertibles.
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It’s a bit different in that the 135is was just a US-only, port-installed options package that’s pretty easily duplicated, if desired. Had BMW actually used a different suspension and added an LSD, the 135is would likely be more sought after.
Of course, people have modified 135i/135is vehicles in a lot of different ways. the bottom line is that a 135is is basically a 135i with some minor changes, whereas the 1M is hugely different vehicle than a 135i of any type, speaking as someone who has owned both a 1M, a 135i coupe (traded in on my M2), and the 135is convertible, which I still own and have no intention to sell. I actually prefer my 135is convertible to the M2, partially for its old-type BMW feel, its hydraulic steering, and the fact that it is a vert, even though I live somewhere that a convertible is not a particular usable sort of a car for most of the year.

I didn't buy the 135is convertible because it was an "is." I bought it because it was 2 years old with only 5000 miles on it, was easily available from Carmax with a transfer, and was being sold at more than 40% off of MSRP with such light usage. The fact that it had a black exterior with a red leather interior was another attraction, to me. I have a soft spot for BMWs with red interiors, although prior to this purchase have never owned one.

Getting back on topic, I don't think that this particular iteration of the M2 that is coming deviates all that much from an M2C, other than in trivial and cosmetic ways. The fact that it was made at the factory rather than modified at the port, is pretty small potatoes when you consider the minimal real changes that a driver would experience on using it, vs. the garden variety M2C (which itself is of meager to no interest, to me).
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It's a bit different in that the 135is was just a US-only, port-installed options package that's pretty easily duplicated, if desired. Had BMW actually used a different suspension and added an LSD, the 135is would likely be more sought after.
Of course, people have modified 135i/135is vehicles in a lot of different ways. the bottom line is that a 135is is basically a 135i with some minor changes, whereas the 1M is hugely different vehicle than a 135i of any type, speaking as someone who has owned both a 1M, a 135i coupe (traded in on my M2), and the 135is convertible, which I still own and have no intention to sell. I actually prefer my 135is convertible to the M2, partially for its old-type BMW feel, its hydraulic steering, and the fact that it is a vert, even though I live somewhere that a convertible is not a particular usable sort of a car for most of the year.

I didn't buy the 135is convertible because it was an "is." I bought it because it was 2 years old with only 5000 miles on it, was easily available from Carmax with a transfer, and was being sold at more than 40% off of MSRP with such light usage. The fact that it had a black exterior with a red leather interior was another attraction, to me. I have a soft spot for BMWs with red interiors, although prior to this purchase have never owned one.

Getting back on topic, I don't think that this particular iteration of the M2 that is coming deviates all that much from an M2C, other than in trivial and cosmetic ways. The fact that it was made at the factory rather than modified at the port, is pretty small potatoes when you consider the minimal real changes that a driver would experience on using it, vs. the garden variety M2C (which itself is of meager to no interest, to me).
So.......your not buying one 🤣
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So.......your not buying one 🤣
At 20% off MSRP, I'll have a look :-)
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I just got an email from BMW about an "up to $4500" savings sales event. There is no mention of whether or not this can be applied to the M2cs.

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Of course, people have modified 135i/135is vehicles in a lot of different ways. the bottom line is that a 135is is basically a 135i with some minor changes, whereas the 1M is hugely different vehicle than a 135i of any type, speaking as someone who has owned both a 1M, a 135i coupe (traded in on my M2), and the 135is convertible, which I still own and have no intention to sell. I actually prefer my 135is convertible to the M2, partially for its old-type BMW feel, its hydraulic steering, and the fact that it is a vert, even though I live somewhere that a convertible is not a particular usable sort of a car for most of the year.

I didn't buy the 135is convertible because it was an "is." I bought it because it was 2 years old with only 5000 miles on it, was easily available from Carmax with a transfer, and was being sold at more than 40% off of MSRP with such light usage. The fact that it had a black exterior with a red leather interior was another attraction, to me. I have a soft spot for BMWs with red interiors, although prior to this purchase have never owned one.

Getting back on topic, I don't think that this particular iteration of the M2 that is coming deviates all that much from an M2C, other than in trivial and cosmetic ways. The fact that it was made at the factory rather than modified at the port, is pretty small potatoes when you consider the minimal real changes that a driver would experience on using it, vs. the garden variety M2C (which itself is of meager to no interest, to me).
My point was simply that, compared to the 135is upgrades, it seems there’s a little more to differentiate the M2 CS from the M2 C, since we’re talking lots of carbon fibre and the adaptive suspension. I guess we’ll see.
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