Roundel says M1 to come

Robert · 07-27-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by onehots2k

There is no way I'm waiting on a M1. So we hear its coming, GREAT. I will be very upset if I seeing 135i's blow by me on the road and I'm waiting almost another 2 years for a special 1. Nope, isnt happening for me. I know myself and I would go nuts. Thats why I'm going to get a VERY good deal on purchasing an 135i. I'll drive it for 3 years and upgrade to an M1 if it isnt priced too outrageous. And if you think about it, BMW has PLENTY of room to play with pricing since the E92 M3 costs ALOT.

I am commited on 135i as well. The wait is killing me.

Advevo · 07-28-2007, 04:15 AM

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atr_hugo · 07-28-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Advevo

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121767

I love his description of the 911, a modern day beetle. Ha!!

grant · 07-28-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeo

I've owned 8 M-cars so I won't be one of those hot to upgrade my 135i to M-status. They are wonderful cars, but the M-ystique has faded.

Not to mention that where you and I live (high altitude) the turbocharged 135i will smoke a naturally aspirated M car

Advevo · 07-28-2007, 12:41 PM

the M-ystique has faded.

Exactly. The bmw cars are just as good as m cars. They just need some minor tweaks Like LSD and good suspension. That is just a fraction of the price if you upgrade to a M version.

A 135i with an LSD and good suspension. Or an M1 which will cost you a lot more and a suspension which is still mass production shit.

And for the low weight you don t have to buy M versions anymore because they weight just as much as bmw cars. New M3 1655kg.

Won35i · 07-28-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeo

I've owned 8 M-cars so I won't be one of those hot to upgrade my 135i to M-status. They are wonderful cars, but the M-ystique has faded.

Exactly!!!! Finally, someone that sees where Im coming from fully.

ZweierCoupe · 07-29-2007, 05:12 AM

No doubt the big attention grabbers at the Frankfurt Auto Show will be the Audi A4, BMW M3, BMW 135i, and Porsche GT2, all of which will make their public debut there. Since the M3 has gone too much upmarket and is considered too heavy and soft, the M1 will have to satisfy true sporting aspirations amongst BMW enthusiasts. Porsche's new 3.6 liter engine appearing in the GT2 should serve as the new benchmark of what can still be attained, given that they deploy a new principle, combined with turbo technology, to cool the air in the chamber and achieve greater efficiency and raw performance: 530 horsepower @ 6500 rpm and 680 Nm torque @ 2200 rpm is pretty good! Scaling this down to 3 liters gives 440 hp and 565 Nm, more than the V8 of the new M3 achieves. This gives you an idea what potential there is for the M1. The problem is that performance in this ballpark will easily make the M1 cost at least $50K, if not much more, since the liberal use of aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber must also be part of such a package.

MMM111 · 07-29-2007, 08:39 AM

Have you all seen this baby...? It was in an Aussie Magazine recently.....

atr_hugo · 07-29-2007, 08:43 AM

Yes indeedy - can't remember the color name but that'll blend right into the horizon on summer day. Stealth blue. ; -)
Those pix showed up under the heading of 'M1' in one of the US buff-books, IIRC, earlier this spring. I do not care for the styling of the lower front fascia, however.

MMM111 · 07-29-2007, 08:47 AM

It does look pretty damn good..... Gives me a great idea for the hood on the Alpine White 135i when I can get my hands on one.....

imported_Sweeper · 07-29-2007, 10:38 PM

This is what will happen when they compare the M1 to the 135i.....

ps. Does anyone know how to embed youTube videos into a post?

Robert · 07-29-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweeper

This is what will happen when they compare the M1 to the 135i.....

ps. Does anyone know how to embed youTube videos into a post?

Yup that's how I imagined it to be. While it is important for someone to get the M I think I can live with the 2s loss on the track in the 135i. I will probably be having as much fun and I can't justify 20k for additional two seconds. I will be tempted though. :-)

inTgr8r · 07-30-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweeper

This is what will happen when they compare the M1 to the 135i.....

ps. Does anyone know how to embed youTube videos into a post?

... This forum is not set up for streaming vid.

Maximus Decimus · 07-30-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

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String: [u2b] enter the id from you tube, 53ugJI4FmKE in this case, then [/ u2b] without the space of course. :drinking:

grant · 07-30-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by robert

Yup that's how I imagined it to be. While it is important for someone to get the M I think I can live with the 2s loss on the track in the 135i. I will probably be having as much fun and I can't justify 20k for additional two seconds. I will be tempted though. :-)

I can understand your reaction, but remember that track was only 1.1 miles and the time was around 50 sec. That is about 1/2 as long as most tracks in the US, so figure about 4 seconds different. And remember that the CSL would LAP the M3 in 25 laps...

larryn · 07-30-2007, 10:09 AM

Anybody who has ever tracked before knows that being ass-happy and tail wagging is one of the slowest ways around the track (even though it's probably damn fun, as evidenced by the silly ass grin). I don't see the CSL driver doing much drifting there.

I think the lapping in that scenario would be greatly exhaggerated.

adc · 07-30-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by grant

I can understand your reaction, but remember that track was only 1.1 miles and the time was around 50 sec. That is about 1/2 as long as most tracks in the US, so figure about 4 seconds different. And remember that the CSL would LAP the M3 in 25 laps...

The other thing is that the CSL also came with Pilot Sport Cup tires, vs. the Contis of the standard model. Wouldn't be surprised if this makes up 1 sec out of the 2.

You can make a car like the 135i a whole lot more than 2 sec faster for far less $$ than $20k. I truly hope BMW knows what they're doing if they decide to come out with an M1... it would be utterly embarasing if the 135i were in the same league speed-wise, what with its huge upgrade potential.

2fast · 07-30-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by grant

I can understand your reaction, but remember that track was only 1.1 miles and the time was around 50 sec. That is about 1/2 as long as most tracks in the US, so figure about 4 seconds different. And remember that the CSL would LAP the M3 in 25 laps...

One HUGE factor we need to keep in mind is that M3 CSL has cup tires (i.e. racing slicks). That fact along could mean the 1.0-2.0s difference. So in order to really test the difference between the 2 cars, same set of tires need to be applied on both cars. Then we'll see the effect of weight saving (+ slightly more HP) translate in actual lap time.

grant · 07-30-2007, 12:22 PM

Yeah, my experience with Cup tires means that the regular M3 would've been the faster car in that test, unless the track or tires were cold. Cups usually mean about 4 seconds faster on a 1.7 mile track, in my experience.

Cups don't work until they get hot though (180F). Otherwise, they're worse than street tires...

aesthetect · 07-30-2007, 10:03 PM

i dont see how the regular m3 would be faster than a car with the exact same tires and chassis that weighed less, and had a slightly higher power output.

grant · 07-30-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aesthetect

i dont see how the regular m3 would be faster than a car with the exact same tires and chassis that weighed less, and had a slightly higher power output.

Well, I gave you one possible explanation - cold track & tires would make the Cups slower than standard tires. Otherwise, I can only assume that the samples of the cars weren't representative or the driving was responsible...

john970 · 03-03-2008, 03:30 PM

Since BMW seems to be bending all of their rules with the 1er anyway, I would love to see the first awd m car.

My perfect M1:

AWD, rear bias
Tune the engine for 350hp
Lighten the car w/ CF and aluminum where possible
No run flats, lifetime tow coverage

The car should weigh the same (awd offsets lighter components, but still have a lower CG) but have better handling, more power, and AWD. I would pay 8-10k for this depending on how well it was implemented.

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Advevo Banned 581 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	the M-ystique has faded. Exactly. The bmw cars are just as good as m cars. They just need some minor tweaks Like LSD and good suspension. That is just a fraction of the price if you upgrade to a M version. A 135i with an LSD and good suspension. Or an M1 which will cost you a lot more and a suspension which is still mass production shit. And for the low weight you don t have to buy M versions anymore because they weight just as much as bmw cars. New M3 1655kg.
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ZweierCoupe Private 9 Rep 82 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2007 iTrader: (0)	A New Benchmark for the Upcoming M1 Engine No doubt the big attention grabbers at the Frankfurt Auto Show will be the Audi A4, BMW M3, BMW 135i, and Porsche GT2, all of which will make their public debut there. Since the M3 has gone too much upmarket and is considered too heavy and soft, the M1 will have to satisfy true sporting aspirations amongst BMW enthusiasts. Porsche's new 3.6 liter engine appearing in the GT2 should serve as the new benchmark of what can still be attained, given that they deploy a new principle, combined with turbo technology, to cool the air in the chamber and achieve greater efficiency and raw performance: 530 horsepower @ 6500 rpm and 680 Nm torque @ 2200 rpm is pretty good! Scaling this down to 3 liters gives 440 hp and 565 Nm, more than the V8 of the new M3 achieves. This gives you an idea what potential there is for the M1. The problem is that performance in this ballpark will easily make the M1 cost at least $50K, if not much more, since the liberal use of aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber must also be part of such a package.
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MMM111 New Member 0 Rep 20 Posts Drives: 06 118i MSport & E90 330i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Have you all seen this baby...? It was in an Aussie Magazine recently..... Attached Images
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atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	Yes indeedy - can't remember the color name but that'll blend right into the horizon on summer day. Stealth blue. ; -) Those pix showed up under the heading of 'M1' in one of the US buff-books, IIRC, earlier this spring. I do not care for the styling of the lower front fascia, however.
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MMM111 New Member 0 Rep 20 Posts Drives: 06 118i MSport & E90 330i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	It does look pretty damn good..... Gives me a great idea for the hood on the Alpine White 135i when I can get my hands on one.....
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larryn Lieutenant General 2148 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	Anybody who has ever tracked before knows that being ass-happy and tail wagging is one of the slowest ways around the track (even though it's probably damn fun, as evidenced by the silly ass grin). I don't see the CSL driver doing much drifting there. I think the lapping in that scenario would be greatly exhaggerated.
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grant Lieutenant 17 Rep 524 Posts Drives: 1973 Porsche 911 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Denver, CO iTrader: (0)	Yeah, my experience with Cup tires means that the regular M3 would've been the faster car in that test, unless the track or tires were cold. Cups usually mean about 4 seconds faster on a 1.7 mile track, in my experience. Cups don't work until they get hot though (180F). Otherwise, they're worse than street tires...
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aesthetect form follows function 38 Rep 838 Posts Drives: GC impreza Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: austin tx iTrader: (0)	i dont see how the regular m3 would be faster than a car with the exact same tires and chassis that weighed less, and had a slightly higher power output.
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john970 1er 73 Rep 1,205 Posts Drives: 08 135 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denver iTrader: (0)	Since BMW seems to be bending all of their rules with the 1er anyway, I would love to see the first awd m car. My perfect M1: AWD, rear bias Tune the engine for 350hp Lighten the car w/ CF and aluminum where possible No run flats, lifetime tow coverage The car should weigh the same (awd offsets lighter components, but still have a lower CG) but have better handling, more power, and AWD. I would pay 8-10k for this depending on how well it was implemented.
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