TUN3D 135i build (1M Conversion)

TUN3D · 06-30-2015, 09:23 AM

CoreyZ > Not much of a difference. I didn't have a scale, but online searches (not including the transmission) has the N54 at 430lbs. 2J with the bulky/stock twins is 490lbs. Without the twins and exhaust manifold, the 2J is 400lbs. A single turbo system is not very heavy...so we should be right around the same weight.

CoreyZ · 06-30-2015, 03:10 PM

I've had trouble finding weights for things in the past - sometimes you get widely varying numbers.

http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/3226...weights-table/

This says 595 lbs for the engine, 746 lbs including the six speed. Having helped lift one by hand on to a loading dock before, I can safely say they are heavy AF!

I think your weight might be a little on the low side. A good friend of mine had a 2jz swapped S2000, and said the extra weight completely ruined the car's handling. The F20c weighs about 330lbs - if the single turbo 2J in his car only weighed 400 and change I don't think it would have had such a pronounced effect.

TUN3D · 06-30-2015, 03:23 PM

CoreyZ > Depends what you leave on it. I'm giving you the weight of the engine and turbos only,minus all the accessories ie. ac, tranny, etc.

If it's to heavy, then no big deal. We'll beef up the suspension to accommodate the extra weight.

CoreyZ · 06-30-2015, 05:07 PM

Just be aware that it will very likely affect the feel of the car. Properly set up suspension can mitigate it somewhat, but you'll still be able to tell. If it's not a big deal then carry on of course!

Basically don't trust the weights people throw around on the forums unless you actually see it on a scale. There was a page that had a lot of BMW engine weights that people would throw around - turns out it was only giving shortblock weights. The only 2j weights that involved actually scales were three different FDs - a 2J, 13B, and LS2. 2J was heaviest of the bunch by a good margin.

ilikebmxbikes · 07-01-2015, 04:40 PM

I was talking to my friend who is pretty familiar with these, he quoted the 2jZ at being around 600lbs. It will absolutely change the handling dynamics of the car.

The weight and handling shouldnt affect the car being a high horsepower focused build. It will be great on the airstrip and drag.

TUN3D · 07-02-2015, 09:54 AM

ilikebmxbikes > Thanks man. I'm going to try and get a weigh in prior to putting the engine in. Unfortunately, I didn't have a scale when I had them side by side.

evbecks · 07-15-2015, 08:41 PM

Willing to sell the N54?

Evan

frenzy757 · 07-16-2015, 01:05 AM

curious, do you not use hood pins with your hood? I want the same hood but the hood pins are kind of ugly IMO.

TUN3D · 07-16-2015, 02:01 AM

evbecks > Sold a while ago. Transmission still for sale...

frenzy757 > You don't need the hood pins at all. I've never had any issues...

evbecks · 07-16-2015, 11:42 AM

@TUN3D just curious how much does an N54 go for? Mileage?

Evan

TUN3D · 07-16-2015, 12:34 PM

evbecks > Between $2-5k. Depends on different factors.

MaDoNiOn · 08-23-2015, 02:27 PM

TUN3D!

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alexc93 · 09-08-2015, 03:18 PM

Updates?

katsooba · 01-13-2016, 01:12 PM

hey TUN3D,
can you please share your wheel\tire specs?

fredy · 01-17-2016, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katsooba

hey TUN3D,
can you please share your wheel\tire specs?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...862256&page=17

post #369

I read all post from tun3d

to fit the 295 : https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E82-13...its/ES2762929/

dbronnik · 01-18-2016, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredy

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...862256&page=17

post #369

I read all post from tun3d

to fit the 295 : https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E82-13...its/ES2762929/

Just to be clear... you cannot run a 295 on stock rear fenders. That kit only allows you to use lower offset wheels, but the largest tire you can fit under your fender is still going to be the same (assuming you have the proper offset wheels). You would need to do a 1M rear fender conversion (or some aftermarket fender variety) in order to run a 295 in the rear!

fredy · 01-19-2016, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbronnik

Just to be clear... you cannot run a 295 on stock rear fenders. That kit only allows you to use lower offset wheels, but the largest tire you can fit under your fender is still going to be the same (assuming you have the proper offset wheels). You would need to do a 1M rear fender conversion (or some aftermarket fender variety) in order to run a 295 in the rear!

no you cannot, you really need the 1m conversion like tun3d . the ecs kit is just to reach the 10 mm to avoid rubbing whit the same spec of wheels as tun3d . To fit 295 its depend of the tire sidewall too, look the post #12 here :

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...&highlight=295

i hope its help.

p.s. i use a translator

TUN3D · 01-25-2016, 11:41 AM

+ 1 with dbronnik && fredy...

katsooba > 295's in the rear on a standard 1-series is "nearly" impossible. I say "nearly", as with some ingenuity...you can probably make it happen. Will it be functional? I'm not really sure, but I've watched a bunch of porn in my short life, and have seen things fit where they shouldn't -- ha!

Anyways...

Read this -- these dudes are some for-real track guys...
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710715

Most you can functionally fit with the right tires/offset/spacers (that I've seen up to this point), are 285's...

With the ECS hub kit, and an extra 10mm, you can probably get the 295's in there...

I would do some more research and ask those guys tho -- they've been thru it. I'm still dealing with my engine swap and will have to address this issue very soon. I'll be of more help in the next few months...

dbronnik · 01-25-2016, 06:24 PM

While the ECS kit gives you 10mm more clearance on the outside, it takes away 10mm clearance on the inside. It's the same effect as removing a 10mm spacer.

Source: I did that same e9x hub conversion.

TUN3D · 02-09-2016, 12:23 PM

dbronnik > Thanks man. I'm definitely going to do that so that I can use my current setup @ 295. I'm also going to get me some smaller wheels to rip on, and max out the tire size. Something tells me I'm gonna need it...

TUN3D · 02-09-2016, 12:25 PM

It's a been a while guys, here we go...

TUN3D · 02-09-2016, 12:35 PM

Weight is pretty comparable -- pretty scary how similar it is. I'm still missing a few parts like the FMIC, Radiator, AC Condensor and Intake Manifold. I'm sitting about an inch higher than it was prior to the swap. Once I get everything back in, it should be right there. Don't think I'm going to have to change anything suspension wise.

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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	CoreyZ > Not much of a difference. I didn't have a scale, but online searches (not including the transmission) has the N54 at 430lbs. 2J with the bulky/stock twins is 490lbs. Without the twins and exhaust manifold, the 2J is 400lbs. A single turbo system is not very heavy...so we should be right around the same weight. __________________
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CoreyZ New Member 5 Rep 25 Posts Drives: '09 Jet Black 135i Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Tennessee iTrader: (0)	I've had trouble finding weights for things in the past - sometimes you get widely varying numbers. http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/3226...weights-table/ This says 595 lbs for the engine, 746 lbs including the six speed. Having helped lift one by hand on to a loading dock before, I can safely say they are heavy AF! I think your weight might be a little on the low side. A good friend of mine had a 2jz swapped S2000, and said the extra weight completely ruined the car's handling. The F20c weighs about 330lbs - if the single turbo 2J in his car only weighed 400 and change I don't think it would have had such a pronounced effect.
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	CoreyZ > Depends what you leave on it. I'm giving you the weight of the engine and turbos only,minus all the accessories ie. ac, tranny, etc. If it's to heavy, then no big deal. We'll beef up the suspension to accommodate the extra weight. __________________
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06-30-2015, 05:07 PM	#378
CoreyZ New Member 5 Rep 25 Posts Drives: '09 Jet Black 135i Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Tennessee iTrader: (0)	Just be aware that it will very likely affect the feel of the car. Properly set up suspension can mitigate it somewhat, but you'll still be able to tell. If it's not a big deal then carry on of course! Basically don't trust the weights people throw around on the forums unless you actually see it on a scale. There was a page that had a lot of BMW engine weights that people would throw around - turns out it was only giving shortblock weights. The only 2j weights that involved actually scales were three different FDs - a 2J, 13B, and LS2. 2J was heaviest of the bunch by a good margin. Last edited by CoreyZ; 06-30-2015 at 05:14 PM..
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ilikebmxbikes Banned 1518 Rep 4,744 Posts Drives: S65 1M Clone & E92 M3 4.6L Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (42) Garage List '08/13 1M Clone 4.0L [10.00] '11 e92 M3 4.6L [10.00]	I was talking to my friend who is pretty familiar with these, he quoted the 2jZ at being around 600lbs. It will absolutely change the handling dynamics of the car. The weight and handling shouldnt affect the car being a high horsepower focused build. It will be great on the airstrip and drag. Last edited by ilikebmxbikes; 07-10-2015 at 01:38 PM..
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	ilikebmxbikes > Thanks man. I'm going to try and get a weigh in prior to putting the engine in. Unfortunately, I didn't have a scale when I had them side by side. __________________
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07-15-2015, 08:41 PM	#381
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	evbecks > Sold a while ago. Transmission still for sale... frenzy757 > You don't need the hood pins at all. I've never had any issues... __________________
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evbecks Hero 86 Rep 483 Posts Drives: 2009 135i M-Sport Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: San Diego, California iTrader: (3)	@TUN3D just curious how much does an N54 go for? Mileage? Evan __________________ @throtl - http://www.throtl.com Subscribe to our YouTube channel (+880,000 subscribers) http://www.youtube.com/throtl 2019 M2 Competition
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	evbecks > Between $2-5k. Depends on different factors. __________________
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katsooba First Lieutenant 85 Rep 354 Posts Drives: bmw 135i Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Israel iTrader: (0)	hey TUN3D, can you please share your wheel\tire specs? __________________ 135i N55 / KW V3 / MHD Flash / Tons of grip mods / CP-E charge pipe / CP-E 7" FMIC Last edited by katsooba; 01-14-2016 at 01:55 AM..
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01-25-2016, 11:41 AM	#392
TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	+ 1 with dbronnik && fredy... katsooba > 295's in the rear on a standard 1-series is "nearly" impossible. I say "nearly", as with some ingenuity...you can probably make it happen. Will it be functional? I'm not really sure, but I've watched a bunch of porn in my short life, and have seen things fit where they shouldn't -- ha! Anyways... Read this -- these dudes are some for-real track guys... http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710715 Most you can functionally fit with the right tires/offset/spacers (that I've seen up to this point), are 285's... With the ECS hub kit, and an extra 10mm, you can probably get the 295's in there... I would do some more research and ask those guys tho -- they've been thru it. I'm still dealing with my engine swap and will have to address this issue very soon. I'll be of more help in the next few months... __________________
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dbronnik Lieutenant 223 Rep 542 Posts Drives: N54 E88 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California iTrader: (4) Garage List 2011 BMW X5M [0.00] 1999 BMW Z3M Coupe [8.33] 2008 BMW 135i Conve ... [5.66] 2009 BMW M3 [0.00]	While the ECS kit gives you 10mm more clearance on the outside, it takes away 10mm clearance on the inside. It's the same effect as removing a 10mm spacer. Source: I did that same e9x hub conversion. __________________ My E88 Build My Parts for Sale
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	dbronnik > Thanks man. I'm definitely going to do that so that I can use my current setup @ 295. I'm also going to get me some smaller wheels to rip on, and max out the tire size. Something tells me I'm gonna need it... __________________
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TUN3D Major 193 Rep 1,181 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: none iTrader: (17)	Weight is pretty comparable -- pretty scary how similar it is. I'm still missing a few parts like the FMIC, Radiator, AC Condensor and Intake Manifold. I'm sitting about an inch higher than it was prior to the swap. Once I get everything back in, it should be right there. Don't think I'm going to have to change anything suspension wise. __________________
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