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      07-29-2012, 09:39 PM   #23
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So sorry! Especially bad when YOU didn't even get to wreck it yourself. Not sure but. You might be using the term "friend" loosely. Glad he's ok.
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      07-29-2012, 09:42 PM   #24
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So sorry to hear.

would everyone be shocked if I said I know of another situation with a 1M almost identical to this one??
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      07-29-2012, 10:22 PM   #25
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So sorry to hear.
Thanks for all the kind words everyone.
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      07-29-2012, 10:29 PM   #26
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So sorry to hear.

would everyone be shocked if I said I know of another situation with a 1M almost identical to this one??
I would be shocked. I can't believe someone would do something like this. I only have one very close friend that I would trust leaving my 1M with. It's not just because it's my pride and joy but also because it can be scary when not used to it. I have great respect for my car. The silver lining is that no one got hurt.
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      07-29-2012, 11:00 PM   #27
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I hope this makes you feel better....I was driving in a rainstorm at about 60mph in the slow lane in full safety mode and the idiot in a WRX flying by next to me lost control in the rain and hydroplaned into lane causing me to slam my front left side into his right passenger door sending both of us into a ditch....

All the parts have arrived in the shop from Germany after about 2 weeks. I am expecting her back this friday hopefully. I know it's not as bad as yours but I did sustain some heavy damage... I had to get a totally new bumper, new oil cooler, new front left side panel, new headlights and lots of new lining
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      07-29-2012, 11:32 PM   #28
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^ that's awful!! What a knob

Sorry your bud wrecked your baby, glad he is ok...minus the nose, but you were going to bloody it anyhow right. jk
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      07-30-2012, 07:22 AM   #29
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Dack. I have a different theory on the broken nose.

OP punched him in the face.

I'm honestly surprised it didn't turn out to be a broken jaw. I've been in this situation before - and it sucks.

You and your "friend" need to have a serious conversation on how he plans to fix your irreplaceable car. You could try something that I've done before - total the car and then buy it back/fix it. Depending on if you can convince the insurance company of the cars value (shouldn't be too hard to dig up some old sales of Ms going for 70K) you can potentially even make a small amount of money out of it by sending the car to that guy in queens.

If not make your "friend" pay the difference.

But the point is you have options here. If it was just a rollover than the mechanicals Gould be relatively ok. A bent body isn't too difficult to replace and the interior - assuming full bag deployment here - isn't the end of the world.


Chin up - you'll make it through. Just make sure your "friend" knows that he's now responsible to make you happy and to make up for his stupid mistakes - if he doesn't want to threaten legal action. That's well within your rights at this point.
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      07-30-2012, 08:38 AM   #30
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Sorry to hear of your loss. Good luck on getting another.

Interesting theory on the broken nose. Hand at 12 o'clock makes sense to me. The BMW Performance Center staff are also strong proponents of 10 and 2. Also no spinning of the wheel with one hand. Hand over hand. That's my normal way of driving but there were some drivers who were faster than me (not saying much) that had to be repeatedly reminded. Same guy had to be told to sit up straight. Laying way back would seem to help if an airbag went off, however.

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      07-30-2012, 08:50 AM   #31
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Sorry to hear about your loss and glad nobody was seriously hurt. I never let anyone else drive my car though for fear of something like this happening.
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      07-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #32
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Man, that sucks! Sorry to hear.

My VO is for sale if interested.

http://e30.us/4sale/1M/
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      07-30-2012, 10:26 AM   #33
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      07-30-2012, 11:42 AM   #34
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Yes - I'm well aware the car can be a handful for an inexperienced driver. I'm hoping insurance will cover replacement cost so I can get another. I love these cars.
Sorry to hear about the car, but at least the 'friend' is ok. Maybe Glassoman55 could repair your car like the other 1M's he has revived?

On a similar note, I always wondered why some owners were so thrilled by the low production numbers of the 1M and balked at the thought of additional cars being produced. When an unfortunate situation like this happens, it only makes it that more difficult to find a replacement. Good luck with the outcome.
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      07-30-2012, 01:01 PM   #35
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I hope this makes you feel better....I was driving in a rainstorm at about 60mph in the slow lane in full safety mode and the idiot in a WRX flying by next to me lost control in the rain and hydroplaned into lane causing me to slam my front left side into his right passenger door sending both of us into a ditch....

All the parts have arrived in the shop from Germany after about 2 weeks. I am expecting her back this friday hopefully. I know it's not as bad as yours but I did sustain some heavy damage... I had to get a totally new bumper, new oil cooler, new front left side panel, new headlights and lots of new lining
Can you slip in some euro headlights?
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      07-30-2012, 01:37 PM   #36
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Last night a 'friend' borrowed my VO 1M when I was out of town. He took it on a mountain road and somehow lost control and flipped the car onto it's roof. He sustained a broken nose but the car is completely totaled.
In the UK that would be classed as theft.

If that was me, he would no longer be a friend and I'd be (as would the insurance company) pressing for a prosecution of 'taking a vehicle without the owners consent'.

And then I'd break his fu**ing legs and arms to go along with his broken nose
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      07-30-2012, 01:45 PM   #37
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In the UK that would be classed as theft.

If that was me, he would no longer be a friend and I'd be (as would the insurance company) pressing for a prosecution of 'taking a vehicle without the owners consent'.

And then I'd break his fu**ing legs and arms to go along with his broken nose
In the US thats also considered theft. All the OP needs to do is file a police report.
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      07-30-2012, 02:11 PM   #38
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In the US thats also considered theft. All the OP needs to do is file a police report.
You would have to here in the UK, as the insurance company wouldn't pay a penny unless it was reported as theft.
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      07-30-2012, 03:01 PM   #39
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So sorry to hear.

would everyone be shocked if I said I know of another situation with a 1M almost identical to this one??
Dont tell me........... YOU....?????
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      07-30-2012, 03:58 PM   #40
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You would have to here in the UK, as the insurance company wouldn't pay a penny unless it was reported as theft.
I suspect, but don't know for sure, that reporting the "theft incident" would be required for insurance here as well.

What kind of a "friend" "borrows" one's car without permission anyway..??!!

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      07-30-2012, 04:09 PM   #41
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I suspect, but don't know for sure, that reporting the "theft incident" would be required for insurance here as well.

What kind of a "friend" "borrows" one's car without permission anyway..??!!

Insurance is also entirely different in the UK than the US.

To put it simply - in the UK the person is insured. In the US the car is insured.
Theyre two entirely different ways of running the business.
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      07-30-2012, 04:50 PM   #42
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Sorry to hear someone crashed your 1M.

The joyrider ("occasional driver") is liable for his negligence (cfr. duty of care - you do not 'borrow' a car without someone's consent and return it damaged). He owes you full compensation for the prejudice incurred. Even if he got your consent, he still was under an obligation to return the car in the same state as the one at the time of 'borrowing' it (except for force majeure circumstances).

If the joyrider is a decent citizen, he will do all what's possible for him to remedy the situation. However, if he's not co-operating appropriately with indemnification (blame game: "you allowed me to drive the car, so you accepted all risks" etc.), sue him (civil lawsuit) or get charges pressed against him (criminal lawsuit). That ain't no vengeance: the guy has to face his responsibility for what he has done (regardless of his financial situation).

Of course, I can perfectly imagine that, if you had the choice, you would like to have your limited edition car back in pristine state, rather than damages.

I wish you courage in dealing with this unfortunate event.
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man, this is a horrible story/situation. i feel really bad for you, and hope that you're able to find another car (hopefully another 1M) soon. keep us posted, and feel free to vent. i think we would all want to do the same!
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      07-30-2012, 07:16 PM   #44
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That's terrible. Most tuners offer a valet map which would have been ideal for situations where your car is left in the care of others.
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