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      12-10-2010, 12:33 PM   #397
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I wish people would stop the crying over the "underwhelming" power numbers. I mean my brother has a 335i coupe and its an auto and not tuned... its a BEAST compared to any old 3series.... it pulls like a freight train. I cant wait to drive a car thats lighter, manual and much more powerful... not to meantion BMW has always been about being a "drivers" car and not the fastest in a straight line. If thats all thats important to you that go buy a Shelby. ( which by the way is a very sick car in the 2011 model ). Anyways. my point is. We dont know how this thing will FEEL. So chill until you do.
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      12-10-2010, 12:33 PM   #398
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Was any one able to confirm whether the engine is in fact from the Z4 35iS or actually been tweaked by BMW M to improve the response? The description from the press release is very ambiguous!!
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      12-10-2010, 12:38 PM   #399
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For what I see in the engine bay, I believe the engine has indeed been tweaked by M division to improve throttle response, hence the "free revving" statement.

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      12-10-2010, 12:55 PM   #400
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For what I see in the engine bay, I believe the engine has indeed been tweaked by M division to improve throttle response, hence the "free revving" statement.
Somewhere in the release or in one of the reviews (in all honesty I've read so much stuff about the 1M these past days that I can't keep track of where everything is stated) it says that the 1M features a lighter flywheel that helps produce the free revving characteristic mentioned.

Since I don't currently own a 135i this looks like it is exactly what I am looking for. I will need to see, though, how much $$$ the only local dealer will charge before I can pull the trigger.
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      12-10-2010, 01:05 PM   #401
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This thread is very entertaining....

For what it is worth, not counting the AST's, swift springs, and labor, I spent $2000 on parts just to get the M3 suspension bits on the car. You add a $2000 coilover/damper kit of your choice and you are now to $4000.

So what is missing: LSD ($2000), wider track, bigger wheels/tires, BMW engine tune/cooling kit, and the exclusiveness of being an M-car.

I read in a post that the 1M is going to be ~$9k more than a 135i. Personally, I think that is a heck of a deal!! I was going to sell my 135i because of the way the thing handled stock. I didn't really fall in love with how it drove until I did the suspension work. The 300hp is enough that I already am buying tires every year. My guess is that the wider track is going to make the car feel much more like the handling of my E30 M3. Yes, my 135i is a faster car than my stock E30 M3, but there is a magical feeling to the E30 in a corner. If that is what the 1M is going to be like, it is going to be hard for me to pass up (even with the styling things I don't like too well). MSRP for my car was about $45k for my 135i and I would have paid $1k more to have a sunroof delete. The 1M may in fact be perfect for me, even though I really want an E90 M3 before it goes out of production. I'm one that would love to see the M DCT on the 1M, but it not an option....oh well.

So I guess as I get older I am entertained more by the people who say they wish it was this or wish it was that. Take the car for what it is. It isn't going to be the car for everyone....

I for one, think that this car is special

Lastly, for me the deciding factor will be what it actually takes to put my AST's on the 1M. I'll just transfer them over. I'd like to do the same with my performance steering wheel!!!
How does tha handling compare between modified 135 and your M3?
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      12-10-2010, 01:11 PM   #402
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Underwhelming is an understatement. So basically it's just a 135i that costs 9 grand more. What a joke. Why anyone would get the M1 over a 335i (now that they're priced about the same) is beyond me.
I can think of a few reasons:
1. Because it will be faster - significantly more so on a racetrack. And since this is the intended audience of the car, it's the most important one.

2. Because it will drive better - significantly better - than either the 135i or 335i. Same idea - perfect match for the target audience.

3. Because it will be rarer - much rarer. This car will keep its value very well, probably better than any current BMW. So even over 4-5 years, it will be better value than either a 135i or 335i.


I don't think your comment is stupid at all - it just means you're not in the target audience, which is perfectly ok. BMW hopes to sell a few thousand of these, which is correctly sized for the market.
This is NOT a 135is because of the very SIMPLE fact that it carries a much more sophisticated and VASTLY superior suspension/chassis set up.

You can complain, "omg its too slow a M car for me"
but you people need to stop saying "its a 135 with performance package" or "why not 135is"
your stupidity pains me, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
ALL M cars have had varying levels of output, but they've all had ONE thing in common. M-derived suspension/chassis, namely a LSD which is exclusive to M cars.

Don't have a M LSD or Differential? Not a M.
Have one? M
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      12-10-2010, 01:26 PM   #403
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This is NOT a 135is because of the very SIMPLE fact that it carries a much more sophisticated and VASTLY superior suspension/chassis set up.

You can complain, "omg its too slow a M car for me"
but you people need to stop saying "its a 135 with performance package" or "why not 135is"
your stupidity pains me, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
ALL M cars have had varying levels of output, but they've all had ONE thing in common. M-derived suspension/chassis, namely a LSD which is exclusive to M cars.

Don't have a M LSD or Differential? Not a M.
Have one? M
Not only the LSD. M cars also have much better throttle response which equates to much more enjoyable sport driving (on the street and at the track). I didn't realize how bad the 135i throttle response was until I test drove the M3. Hopefully the 1M Coupe will be similar.
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      12-10-2010, 01:32 PM   #404
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This does not look like a 60/40 split fold down seat back. Looks like a fixed seat back to me.
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      12-10-2010, 01:38 PM   #405
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Fail!! Why would anyone buy this instead of modding a 135i ? You will get more performance for ur money. The only advantage are m3 parts and a nice body kit.
Why mod a 135i when you can mod a 1M .
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      12-10-2010, 02:00 PM   #406
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      12-10-2010, 02:04 PM   #407
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"The turbocharger system developed for the engine of the new 1 Series M Coupe maintains a high output throughout the entire engine speed range. "

So does that mean different turbos?
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      12-10-2010, 02:12 PM   #408
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@ Twenzel. BMW UK website spec for 1M confirm 60/40 split folding rear seat.
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      12-10-2010, 02:19 PM   #409
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"The turbocharger system developed for the engine of the new 1 Series M Coupe maintains a high output throughout the entire engine speed range. "

So does that mean different turbos?
Yes, the new TD03s have little "///M" emblems cast into the exhaust housings of the turbochargers. This allows for greater flow capacity which equates to a stronger engine at the same boost level.
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      12-10-2010, 02:31 PM   #410
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Yes, the new TD03s have little "///M" emblems cast into the exhaust housings of the turbochargers. This allows for greater flow capacity which equates to a stronger engine at the same boost level.
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      12-10-2010, 02:49 PM   #411
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Fail!! Why would anyone buy this instead of modding a 135i ? You will get more performance for ur money. The only advantage are m3 parts and a nice body kit.
the LSD. The brakes. the looks. Oh yeah, and the LSD.
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      12-10-2010, 03:00 PM   #412
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I wish people would stop the crying over the "underwhelming" power numbers. I mean my brother has a 335i coupe and its an auto and not tuned... its a BEAST compared to any old 3series.... it pulls like a freight train. I cant wait to drive a car thats lighter, manual and much more powerful... not to meantion BMW has always been about being a "drivers" car and not the fastest in a straight line. If thats all thats important to you that go buy a Shelby. ( which by the way is a very sick car in the 2011 model ). Anyways. my point is. We dont know how this thing will FEEL. So chill until you do.
You and I obviously have different opinions on power/speed if you think a stock auto 335i "pulls like a freight train"

How it will feel? I don't give a crap.. Bottom line is for the $$ and what the car symbolizes, I would have liked to see another 20-30HP or so from the factory. People need to stop whining about anything negative said about the 1M. Shesh.

Just so there is no confusion, the rest of the car I think is great (minus the seats). Just should have had that extra kick in the rear is all..
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I know how you feel. I'm in that process with my Z32 300zx!


Thanks for the video link. Those cams sound SICK!!!!! AND a gt40!!!


40psi+?
Yup just a hair over. MIGHT ditch the 40R and go 42R in the next year or so.
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This does not look like a 60/40 split fold down seat back. Looks like a fixed seat back to me.
THANK YOU for nitpicking something different!! And man, I thought your comments were going to be like the rest!!

Way to differentiate!

Sarcasm aside (this thread needed some more, please don't take offense), you are right in that it does not look like a 60/40 split -- but BMW IS very sneaky, and there could have been some PS work to make it look more symmetrical.
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This does not look like a 60/40 split fold down seat back. Looks like a fixed seat back to me.
I wouldn't worry too much - the 3 series coupe looks the same in the visualizer and Steved confirmed the fold down seats after his look at the car.
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      12-10-2010, 04:03 PM   #416
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This is NOT a 135is because of the very SIMPLE fact that it carries a much more sophisticated and VASTLY superior suspension/chassis set up.

You can complain, "omg its too slow a M car for me"
but you people need to stop saying "its a 135 with performance package" or "why not 135is"
your stupidity pains me, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
ALL M cars have had varying levels of output, but they've all had ONE thing in common. M-derived suspension/chassis, namely a LSD which is exclusive to M cars.

Don't have a M LSD or Differential? Not a M.
Have one? M
You are right but left out important fact that the 1M is and "is" engine which is clearly not an M engine. This is a fundamental problem with the 1M. 2 of the 3 cars that use the "is" engine are not M cars. Who is stupid?
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The power output is really underwhelming. I had waited impatiently for the original 1 series. Then I found out it was a heavy little tank and wasn't that much quicker than the 335i.

So I patiently waited for the M version thinking that at least it might have enough HP to jump in. Yet again I was disappointed. Unfortunately I currently live in an area with crappy roads and no real fun twisties to drive. So about all I can hope for is enough HP/TQ to make up for the lack of fun roads.

So maybe they'll finally put some real HP in this package or shave a few hundred pounds off of it. I wanted something that was pretty quick and small to drive. This doesn't look likely to be much faster than a 135i. They should have bumped up the HP/TQ considerably or put the little porker on a diet to differentiate it more from the plebian models.

I can't easily bump up the HP/TQ numbers with aftermarket help as BMW is very glad to cancel your warranty in my area.
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Yeah, what can I say... I'm sure the suspension + bodywork is great (minus the FAKE fender exhausts... I mean, a renault clio RS has those, and they're functional, and the clio is like 1/3 the price... why couldn't BMW do it?).

But the engine is a disappointment. Every M car should have a special engine. I understand that to the handling freaks, this will not matter. I understand that the throttle response etc. will be different than on a 135i. But even so, it's a shame they couldn't come up with something better.

The thing that's right is the price though.
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