2013 128i for Sale after getting a M2C :)

[02Pilot]

Originally Posted by xuezhu826

Sorry I just don't get it. Why mods don't add value? If there are two cars out there has same mileage and condition, one is standard model, the other has interesting OEM mods on, I would definitely choose the 2nd one with reasonably higher price. That's why I put those mods on right after delivery of the car and kept them on since then. And I always got compliments on my car.

Aren't people buying 1 series for its special sporty look?

There are lots of reasons why mods don't add value, some of which have been mentioned: they imply (not always accurately) that the car has been used hard, or that they may not have been installed correctly (not a factor here), but ultimately once you get away from the stock package everything is driven by personal preference, and your preferences are yours alone.

It's not to say that you might not eventually find a buyer with similar tastes who is willing to pay a premium, but even in that case the value assigned to the mods will likely be a small fraction of their initial cost to you. And in relying on the mods to justify the higher-than-average price, you are shrinking the pool of potential buyers dramatically, as anyone who does not want the particular combination of mods you have done on the specific car you have done them on will now dismiss the car as a potential purchase out of hand. In the end, the simple fact is that the market, not the seller, will determine value.

[LuisBoston]

Not to pile on, but I agree with most of the criticisms here and have enjoyed reading the thread. While most are critical, no one is disrespectful, thankfully.

I'll be interested in the outcome and what you get for it. I've thought of selling my 38k 2013 128i M-sport stick with red seats - it's super special to me too and I imagine to a lot of other enthusiasts.

If you can get $20k for yours, I'll know I can get at least $2-4k more for my non-modded stick with 20k fewer miles.

For now

[champignon]

Originally Posted by chris_flies

*Bomb drop whistle sound effect*

$20k for an Auto with 60k miles is insane, to be frank.

$20k for any 1'er (other than a 1M) with 60k miles is insane (except maybe a stock, pristine 135i).

Agreed that this is a ludicrous price for this vehicle. Somewhat questioning the 2nd sentence; I think there are low mileage, "pristine," 135i and 135is vehicles that could be worth substantially more than $20K, to the right buyer.

[________]

Originally Posted by champignon

Agreed that this is a ludicrous price for this vehicle. Somewhat questioning the 2nd sentence; I think there are low mileage, "pristine," 135i and 135is vehicles that could be worth substantially more than $20K, to the right buyer.

So you think there's anyone in North America that would pay 20k for a 60k mile 135i?

Well, then, ask the OP out on a date. Match made in heaven!

[champignon]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

So you think there's anyone in North America that would pay 20k for a 60k mile 135i?

Well, then, ask the OP out on a date. Match made in heaven!

Note that in my quote, above, I said "pristine low mileage," not 60K miles.

First we would need to define what sort of dollars one is talking about; at the latest exchange rate, in $CAN, I think that's just $5000 or so US, so probably we could find a buyer

Even if we were discussing $USD, I would estimate that approximately 0.000472% of the US population would be cognitively challenged enough to pay $20K USD for this 60K mileage car. Taking the current estimated US population of 327 million, we arrive at (more or less exactly) 1,543.44 dimwits who might be interested. This is without even considering our Canadian friends, who might have a few dimwits of their own to contribute.

The problem would be finding these roughly 1500 people. One suggested strategy might be to do a mass emailing to every email address in the country, sent from a Nigerian prince who has found a fortune belonging to you, but he only requires your banking details in order to show good faith, before he makes the bank transfer.

I would market to people responding to this emailing.

[________]

Originally Posted by champignon

Note that in my quote, above, I said "pristine low mileage," not 60K miles.

First we would need to define what sort of dollars one is talking about; at the latest exchange rate, in $CAN, I think that's just $5000 or so US, so probably we could find a buyer

Even if we were discussing $USD, I would estimate that approximately 0.000472% of the US population would be cognitively challenged enough to pay $20K USD for this 60K mileage car. Taking the current estimated US population of 327 million, we arrive at (more or less exactly) 1,543.44 dimwits who might be interested. This is without even considering our Canadian friends, who might have a few dimwits of their own to contribute.

The problem would be finding these roughly 1500 people. One suggested strategy might be to do a mass emailing to every email address in the country, sent from a Nigerian prince who has found a fortune belonging to you, but he only requires your banking details in order to show good faith, before he makes the bank transfer.

I would market to people responding to this emailing.

And yet you decided to "question" our friend's post to say something about a vehicle with less than 60k k... lol

Maybe don't overdo on the mushrooms dude...

[champignon]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

And yet you decided to "question" our friend's post to say something about a vehicle with less than 60k k... lol

Maybe don't overdo on the mushrooms dude...

When you have a car that is irreplaceable with any current model, and the 1-Series certainly fits that description, if there is any long term interest in the car, and if the car wasn't sold in huge numbers, after a while each sale becomes a "one-off." Now I would be among the last to suggest that a modified 1-Series vehicle, with 60K miles on it, fits that description.

But let's say you had a 6MT, 135is convertible, with a red leather interior and a black exterior, one of three sold in that configuration, with around 10,000 miles on it, always garaged and serviced, in good condition (I do), then if you found the right buyer you could conceivably get a lot over what any of the reference sites would tell you that the car is "worth." Someone who really wanted a car fitting that description might well pay $30K, or even $35K, in the right situation.

I have no interest in selling mine, and I didn't buy it as an investment, but if someone approached me and wanted to buy the car, I certainly wouldn't be giving it away. Everything has its price.

[varoadking]

Originally Posted by champignon

But let's say you had a 6MT, 135is convertible, with a red leather interior and a black exterior, one of three sold in that configuration, with around 10,000 miles on it, always garaged and serviced, in good condition (I do), then if you found the right buyer you could conceivably get a lot over what any of the reference sites would tell you that the car is "worth." Someone who really wanted a car fitting that description might well pay $30K, or even $35K, in the right situation.

So you're saying that Barnum was right?

[champignon]

Originally Posted by varoadking

So you're saying that Barnum was right?

Well, anyone buying a BMW who realizes that BMWs depreciate like a snowball running down a slope in hell, and who also knows that simply maintaining any of their cars will cost a fortune, is a fool by any definition :-)

[duder13]

Originally Posted by champignon

When you have a car that is irreplaceable with any current model, and the 1-Series certainly fits that description, if there is any long term interest in the car, and if the car wasn't sold in huge numbers, after a while each sale becomes a "one-off." Now I would be among the last to suggest that a modified 1-Series vehicle, with 60K miles on it, fits that description.

But let's say you had a 6MT, 135is convertible, with a red leather interior and a black exterior, one of three sold in that configuration, with around 10,000 miles on it, always garaged and serviced, in good condition (I do), then if you found the right buyer you could conceivably get a lot over what any of the reference sites would tell you that the car is "worth." Someone who really wanted a car fitting that description might well pay $30K, or even $35K, in the right situation.

I have no interest in selling mine, and I didn't buy it as an investment, but if someone approached me and wanted to buy the car, I certainly wouldn't be giving it away. Everything has its price.

Enthusiasts, who tend to spend a little more for the right combination of features on the used market, generally favor hardtops, so I'm not sure that buyer exists.

Now, if you somehow had a 6MT hardtop 135is with a sunroof delete, then we'd be talking.

[gjm120]

Everyone knows a 128i with AT is the best 1er out there!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Everyone knows a 128i with AT is the best 1er out there!

[champignon]

Originally Posted by duder13

Enthusiasts, who tend to spend a little more for the right combination of features on the used market, generally favor hardtops, so I'm not sure that buyer exists.

Now, if you somehow had a 6MT hardtop 135is with a sunroof delete, then we'd be talking.

There's no question that most collectible cars will be slicktops. I bought the above car because it was a convertible, not in spite of that. I was just trying to point out that scarcity can exist for almost anything, and if you happened to want a 6MT 135is with a red leather interior, there aren't very many of them out there, since very few were made in the first place (around 40 total 6MT 135is convertibles in total, just to start with).

[gary_william]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Everyone knows a 128i with AT is the best 1er out there!

It was the "best" for me, so I bought one. Didn't pay anywhere near $20k. I might be dumb but I ain't stupid.

[brocklanders]

Damn! Before I started reading I was going to offer 12k, if it were a slick top manual with manual seats. And also not everyone thinks that hideous red interior looks good.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by brocklanders

Damn! Before I started reading I was going to offer 12k, if it were a slick top manual with manual seats. And also not everyone thinks that hideous red interior looks good.

I had that Coral Red interior in another 1er I had (with BSM paint) and thought it was pretty cool.

[rowsdower]

Originally Posted by brocklanders

Damn! Before I started reading I was going to offer 12k, if it were a slick top manual with manual seats. And also not everyone thinks that hideous red interior looks good.

Yeah I don't get the draw of the red interior at all.

[sprp85]

Maybe with 6spd and half the miles along with good ole xenon and heated seats PLUS slicktop...

even then I would feel like 19 is pushing it..

But GLWS and congrats on the new beauty.

[low135]

My buddy is looking at getting a 1er after being in mine and I told him not to pay for than $13k for a 128i if he absolutely didn't want to swing for a 135i. I just bought my 1 owner 135i with 31k miles in April for $15k. Granted that was an 08 but still. Money, model and milage trump model year every time for me.

[rowsdower]

Originally Posted by low135

My buddy is looking at getting a 1er after being in mine and I told him not to pay for than $13k for a 128i

Even that seems really high to me. KBB puts my 2011 128i 6MT slicktop with leather, sport package, comfort access, homelink and 80k miles at $9,500 (dealer price) or $7,600 (private sale). Maybe, maybe you will find one with super low miles and all the option boxes ticked that might go for $13k to just the right buyer at a dealer but for your average 128i, a buyer should be paying well below 10 grand. And frankly that is what these cars are worth. I mean I like my car, don't get me wrong, but it's a parts-bin base-model German car with German car maintenance costs. For $13k you'd have to hold out for that crazy buyer who will pay any price for a very specific configuration. Best of luck to your friend, he/she will really enjoy a 128i as long as they don't overpay!

[low135]

Originally Posted by rowsdower

Even that seems really high to me. KBB puts my 2011 128i 6MT slicktop with leather, sport package, comfort access, homelink and 80k miles at $9,500 (dealer price) or $7,600 (private sale). Maybe, maybe you will find one with super low miles and all the option boxes ticked that might go for $13k to just the right buyer at a dealer but for your average 128i, a buyer should be paying well below 10 grand. And frankly that is what these cars are worth. I mean I like my car, don't get me wrong, but it's a parts-bin base-model German car with German car maintenance costs. For $13k you'd have to hold out for that crazy buyer who will pay any price for a very specific configuration. Best of luck to your friend, he/she will really enjoy a 128i as long as they don't overpay!

Yeah I hear you completely. I told him that only in regards to a 2013 128 he was looking at with 27k miles and some decent options. He's all over the place with what he's looking at. Literally just sent me a 2011 N55 135 with 74k miles for $12k.

[Dogeeseegod]

I bought my 128i-6 in April for $10,300 from a private party. Cool water metallic on sand w/ manual seats and no extras except the hi-fi stereo. It had 49k miles on it and was still under transferable extended warranty until 60k. My budget was a very fair $13k. If my budget was $20k I would have bought my wife one too! lol