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05-04-2010, 09:56 AM | #23 |
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Why BMW is building an M version of the 1 series coupe...because I want one!
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So you're telling me there's a chance...
Sounds like there is evidence that it is coming from the M division.
However, you say the car wont be called M1...why? "There was another car called this at one point" is enough to remove the marking reasons why it makes sense? (someone mentioned they focus tested the name and M1 was the winner) If not, would it be called 1 M? Is that trademarked by BMW? How about 135M? Or even 135iM or 135isM? or to avoid the whole naming problem, 135is?
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I totally agree, the US 135i is pretty much already an "is" car, it already has all the ///M sport bits standard, what could they have done? Bumped it 10-20hp and slapped "is" badges on it? If they were going to do that, they wouldn't be doing all of this testing. Especially in a car with widened fenders...
It is an M car and I cant wait for it to be released!
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I hope the rear fender wells look more sleek on the production model. The test photos look to pronounced it doesn't suit the 1///M lines.
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very nice write-up...very clean...i think this has brought me out of the "maybe its a m1 or maybe 135is" stage to believe that it is a M1...my future car
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I like this too - seems logical to me and I hope it is true. The M division being more of the tuner division makes it also more feasible for them to do a small volume vehicle.
The point about it having a limited slip differential got me thinking of a point I think I made previously about where the M cars get their great acceleration from. It is partially gearing. The current M3 has, per the BMW NA website, a 3.85 gear ratio. According to my calculation, it should turn about 2564 rpm at 60 mph. The current 135 has a 3.08 rear end and turns about 2133 rpm at 60 mph. Just substituting the M3 rear end with it's ratio into the 135 would make it accelerate significantly harder. The rpms seem high to me, however, so I did a calculation where the tire size would also increase to the 265/40 series on the M3. That rpm comes out to 2505. A little lower than the M3 because 6th in the M3 is a .87 ratio and it is a .85 in the 135. BMW could change these ratios but it seems most feasible to keep things like the transmission and rear end the same as other parts currently used - less costly. Horsepower is the parameter ususally mentioned with respect to acceleration and it is certainly important. But just putting M3 gears on a 135 would quicken it up too. Doing both will make it very fast. Jim
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No. The Tii concepts did not feature M parts. M cars have genuine M parts(seats, LSD, etc)
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I am more than willing to eat my crow if we are wrong about that--I just hope others are as well when the car gets here.
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GREAT write up South
I have 1 question for you though, what do you think about the lack of a quad exhaust system? This would be the first modern day ///M without it.
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I don't understand it either. And trust me, we're not wrong.
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Gents,
Love the info; qucik question though... Even with early mules, M cars have quad tailpipes and a bonnet bulge of some nature- where are they on this? Having said that, i do note that the current spy shots of the new M5 are missing the bonnet bulge also... Any ideas??? Thanks, Mav |
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I think we will soon be getting to the point where we'll realize it might not have it. I want quads. I love quads. If you think about it, the 1 should have been a bit lighter than it is stock. But I can live without it if it spares us of unnecessary weight AND the rear bumper is tasteful. I haven't seen an M rear bumper I haven't liked.
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But but...the mules don't have quads!?
Just kidding. I've believed that this was an 1-series M since I saw the M-diff and rear camber arms. Nice writeup southlight.
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