Is this the current best deeal?

GMT II · 11-13-2008, 06:47 PM

The dealer offered me $1000 over my invoice price. He claimed invoice on an 09 135i was $500 more than my research and thus offered "500 over invoice". Are my prices correct? I'm also surprised that no one seemed to care whether I took BMWFS or not.

LemansE82 · 11-13-2008, 08:44 PM

Thats what I heard also.
$300 advertisement fee
$180 training fee.
Now..I went to a couple of dealers all of them mentioned those fees.

syenisch · 11-13-2008, 08:53 PM

Looks like a pretty good deal - congrats! For some reason I have it in my head that the $180 training fee is the fee for having the CA show you the car's features when you pick it up. If that's the case, you could probably get that taken off. From what I've heard you have the correct invoice price by the way.

GMT II · 11-13-2008, 08:56 PM

My CA and Sales mgr are showing me how to drive stick the day I come in and sign. I'd say thats worth a training fee of some sort. I'm probably taking the deal. I did ultimate drive there and everyone was more than nice. Plus a 15min no haggle negotiation over the phone? Hard to beat that. No one even bothered giving me the "sticker is the discount" BS.

BlackjackMulligan · 11-14-2008, 06:05 PM

Those fees are supposedly unavoidable. The best deal I've seen is about $500 over "their" invoice as well, so I think you've done ok.

e46petey · 11-19-2008, 08:58 PM

good deal...which dealer and CA is this?

ulrichd · 11-19-2008, 09:55 PM

Sedona with Terra Cotta, I'd have to see that. It doesn't sound good to me.

GMT II · 11-20-2008, 09:57 PM

haha I'm not 100% sold on color combos yet.

Jenny09E82 · 11-23-2008, 12:10 PM

I'm a CA at a midwest dealer. The "training fee" is part of the invoice for us. It's to send us to training to learn the product and pays for all the literature, etc. that we need. Most good CA's spend their downtime learning product knowledge. Metro area dealers will also have a "MACO" fee which is for advertising. These fees really are part of the invoice and I have never seen a dealer waive them. I'll be happy to help anyone out there with purchasing from their local dealer.

Novator · 11-23-2008, 12:24 PM

For $180 my CA should be a damn expert with my car, knowing that now sure makes me feel ripped off.

Call · 11-23-2008, 12:33 PM

We have neither of those fees in Georgia.

Call

morgie2 · 11-23-2008, 01:31 PM

Having to pay for training is adding insult to injury in my opinion. We know more about BMW products than the CA's, and we have to pay THEM for their product knowledge. You gotta love it. I asked my CA about the commerative 1 book and was told I don't qualify. Wrong. I was told I couldn't wash my convertible in a commercial car wash, only by hand. Wrong. They weren't aware I got HD radio added for $0 with I-drive until I told them.

BlackjackMulligan · 11-23-2008, 02:20 PM

Weird, I believe HD radio adds $350 to the price on the 09s when you order nav.

morgie2 · 11-23-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackjackMulligan

Weird, I believe HD radio adds $350 to the price on the 09s when you order nav.

Nope. I see your configuration. Looks like your getting something free you didn't even know about!! You must have asked a CA.

:wink:

BlackjackMulligan · 11-23-2008, 05:25 PM

Just built one online and you are right! I now feel about $350 better about ordering nav haha

morgie2 · 11-23-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackjackMulligan

Just built one online and you are right! I now feel about $350 better about ordering nav haha

Would Mace Windu lead you down the Dark Side of the force. Never happen!!

GMT II · 11-25-2008, 03:13 PM

My CA just let me bang away at a 330 until I figured out how a 6spd worked. He was also honest enough to remind me that terra + sedona red = vomit. He earned his fee.

e46petey · 11-27-2008, 12:16 AM

nice...who is your CA?

GMT II · 11-28-2008, 12:54 PM

John Bell of Freehold BMW.

If you are in the NYC area I highly recommend stopping by.

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LemansE82 Formally known as xXxMLEExXx. 38 Rep 653 Posts Drives: Lemans E82 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: N. New Jersey iTrader: (3)	Thats what I heard also. $300 advertisement fee $180 training fee. Now..I went to a couple of dealers all of them mentioned those fees.
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11-13-2008, 08:53 PM	#3
syenisch Captain 111 Rep 810 Posts Drives: 2015 435i Gran Coupe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Winter Garden, FL iTrader: (1)	Looks like a pretty good deal - congrats! For some reason I have it in my head that the $180 training fee is the fee for having the CA show you the car's features when you pick it up. If that's the case, you could probably get that taken off. From what I've heard you have the correct invoice price by the way.
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11-13-2008, 08:56 PM	#4
GMT II Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 290 Posts Drives: I ride the bus. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC/Staten Isl. iTrader: (0)	My CA and Sales mgr are showing me how to drive stick the day I come in and sign. I'd say thats worth a training fee of some sort. I'm probably taking the deal. I did ultimate drive there and everyone was more than nice. Plus a 15min no haggle negotiation over the phone? Hard to beat that. No one even bothered giving me the "sticker is the discount" BS.
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11-14-2008, 06:05 PM	#5
BlackjackMulligan Most interesting Roadster 69 Rep 2,224 Posts Drives: '01 Z3.0 Roady;'10 C300 Sport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boston 'burbs iTrader: (5) Garage List 2010 Mercedes-Benz ... [0.00] 2001 BMW Z3 3.0 Roa ... [0.00]	Those fees are supposedly unavoidable. The best deal I've seen is about $500 over "their" invoice as well, so I think you've done ok.
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11-19-2008, 08:58 PM	#6
e46petey New Member 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: e46 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	good deal...which dealer and CA is this?
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11-19-2008, 09:55 PM	#7
ulrichd Colonel 210 Rep 2,233 Posts Drives: 128i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (6)	Sedona with Terra Cotta, I'd have to see that. It doesn't sound good to me.
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11-20-2008, 09:57 PM	#8
GMT II Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 290 Posts Drives: I ride the bus. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC/Staten Isl. iTrader: (0)	haha I'm not 100% sold on color combos yet.
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11-23-2008, 12:10 PM	#9
Jenny09E82 New Member 2 Rep 17 Posts Drives: Jet Black 2009 135i coupe Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KC, MO iTrader: (0)	I'm a CA at a midwest dealer. The "training fee" is part of the invoice for us. It's to send us to training to learn the product and pays for all the literature, etc. that we need. Most good CA's spend their downtime learning product knowledge. Metro area dealers will also have a "MACO" fee which is for advertising. These fees really are part of the invoice and I have never seen a dealer waive them. I'll be happy to help anyone out there with purchasing from their local dealer.
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11-23-2008, 12:24 PM	#10
Novator Captain 48 Rep 711 Posts Drives: '04 E46 M3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Beaufort, SC iTrader: (2) Garage List 2004 BMW M3 [8.00]	For $180 my CA should be a damn expert with my car, knowing that now sure makes me feel ripped off. __________________
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11-23-2008, 12:33 PM	#11
Call Call 21 Rep 683 Posts Drives: 08 135i, 08 & 07 X5, 05 MCSC Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Gainesville, GA iTrader: (0)	We have neither of those fees in Georgia. Call __________________
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11-23-2008, 01:31 PM	#12
morgie2 First Lieutenant 16 Rep 377 Posts Drives: 135i convertible Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	Having to pay for training is adding insult to injury in my opinion. We know more about BMW products than the CA's, and we have to pay THEM for their product knowledge. You gotta love it. I asked my CA about the commerative 1 book and was told I don't qualify. Wrong. I was told I couldn't wash my convertible in a commercial car wash, only by hand. Wrong. They weren't aware I got HD radio added for $0 with I-drive until I told them.
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11-23-2008, 02:20 PM	#13
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BlackjackMulligan Most interesting Roadster 69 Rep 2,224 Posts Drives: '01 Z3.0 Roady;'10 C300 Sport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boston 'burbs iTrader: (5) Garage List 2010 Mercedes-Benz ... [0.00] 2001 BMW Z3 3.0 Roa ... [0.00]	Just built one online and you are right! I now feel about $350 better about ordering nav haha __________________ I can't complain, but sometimes I still do........Life's been good to me so far. - Joe Walsh
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11-25-2008, 03:13 PM	#17
GMT II Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 290 Posts Drives: I ride the bus. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC/Staten Isl. iTrader: (0)	My CA just let me bang away at a 330 until I figured out how a 6spd worked. He was also honest enough to remind me that terra + sedona red = vomit. He earned his fee.
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11-27-2008, 12:16 AM	#18
e46petey New Member 0 Rep 5 Posts Drives: e46 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	nice...who is your CA?
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11-28-2008, 12:54 PM	#19
GMT II Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 290 Posts Drives: I ride the bus. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC/Staten Isl. iTrader: (0)	John Bell of Freehold BMW. If you are in the NYC area I highly recommend stopping by.
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