TDC or anybody know the weight of the 135i?!!?

[larry lawless]

Originally Posted by danp

I wouldn't believe Jeremy Clarkson too much, he may be controversial and entertaining (to a degree) but he is not considered to know much about cars or driving ! :biggrin:

Perhaps :redface:
He is often wishy washy with his judgment on cars, but that time he happens to be correct.

lol

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by larry lawless

Yes, i am with you on that one.
And another thing..............just because this car might be a little heavier than some people where expecting it to be. It still will be one of the lightest bimmers or the lightest bimmer that is out now. And like it was said earlier bimmer make even their heaviest cars handle well, like the m5. Its no where near the lightest and yet quoting Jeremy Clarkson "the car feels and handles almost exactly like an F430". So the 1er should be excellent.

I think the real question is that with the weight saving being what it is, whether the 1 is a significantly better driver's car than the 3 is. That is, will there be a reason other than price to choose the smaller, less practical 1 over the 3? I think it's still possible, since weight is just one of the many factors. But it better be damn fun to drive.

[Advevo]

A 330i vs 335i has 55kg weight difference.

How is it possible 130i 3 door hatch vs 135i coupe has 110kg difference.

[TMK001]

Lifes mysteries... maybe there are a higher amount of standard features in the 135.

[danp]

Originally Posted by Advevo

A 330i vs 335i has 55kg weight difference.

How is it possible 130i 3 door hatch vs 135i coupe has 110kg difference.

Exactly...the engine is 28kg more...perhaps the boot (trunk) is made from lead to counteract the N54 engine and keep the 50:50 balance? :iono:

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by danp

Exactly...the engine is 28kg more...perhaps the boot (trunk) is made from lead to counteract the N54 engine and keep the 50:50 balance? :iono:

Well for one thing, 260HP N52 has only 220lbs-ft of torque to handle. With the N54 putting out almost 50% more torque, I sure hope they beefed up the tranny along with the entire driveline to handle that. That is, I am positive if you just dropped an N54 into the engine bay of a 330i, you will very soon break something. It could be your clutch, gear tooth, synchro, rear axle, etc etc. Nobody over-engineer cars like that.

EDIT: Also, a 335i is 90lbs HEAVIER than a 528i. You just don't get all that torque without a weight penalty.

[hector]

Originally Posted by eMINI

4. Interestingly, I'm now thinking that waiting for a 260 hp 130i coupe that hasn't been de-tuned might make a lot of sense for a more pure driver's car.

that's what i and some others(Spin) have wanted. if it's waiting a year i would, if it's not until the next generation in 2011-2012 that's another story. do you think we might see the n53(direct injection/lean burn)) in a year or so if lower sulfur fuel comes on board?

[hector]

[quote=onehots2k;4325]Those of you having second thoughts because of weight...I certainly do not have a problem going to a 3300 pound 1series...quote]
3300lbs. is what i'm hoping for. it's 3500 that's giving me second thoughts!

[BForbes]

[quote=hector;4432]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

Those of you having second thoughts because of weight...I certainly do not have a problem going to a 3300 pound 1series...quote]
3300lbs. is what i'm hoping for. it's 3500 that's giving me second thoughts!

You and I are on the same page. If its 3500lbs, BMW has failed. If a 335i weighs more than a 528i, does that mean a 135i is going to weigh more than a 328i?? I dont know, but 3300 is a nice spot.

[larry lawless]

[quote=onehots2k;4434]

Originally Posted by hector

You and I are on the same page. If its 3500lbs, BMW has failed. If a 335i weighs more than a 528i, does that mean a 135i is going to weigh more than a 328i?? I dont know, but 3300 is a nice spot.

AGREED

[danp]

[quote=onehots2k;4434]

Originally Posted by hector

You and I are on the same page. If its 3500lbs, BMW has failed. If a 335i weighs more than a 528i, does that mean a 135i is going to weigh more than a 328i?? I dont know, but 3300 is a nice spot.

The weight has been seen in a spec sheet - I'm sure that it will be pretty similar to the US spec models.

135i coupe is 1560kg (3439pounds) to EU1, so about 1445kg unladen (3186pounds)

[LonghornTX]

[quote=danp;4465]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

The weight has been seen in a spec sheet - I'm sure that it will be pretty similar to the US spec models.

135i coupe is 1560kg (3439pounds) to EU1, so about 1445kg unladen (3186pounds)

How does BMWNA quote their weights?

[danp]

[quote=LonghornTX;4474]

Originally Posted by danp

How does BMWNA quote their weights?

They say unladen but looks pretty similar to the EU1 euro numbers from the cars I compared (maybe 40 pounds more on the USA site - probably because of more std equipment)

[BForbes]

[quote=danp;4465]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

The weight has been seen in a spec sheet - I'm sure that it will be pretty similar to the US spec models.

135i coupe is 1560kg (3439pounds) to EU1, so about 1445kg unladen (3186pounds)

WAAIIT A SECOND. I'm a little confused. So what are you quoting the 135i's weight to be at??? Lets hear it.

[danp]

[quote=onehots2k;4485]

Originally Posted by danp

WAAIIT A SECOND. I'm a little confused. So what are you quoting the 135i's weight to be at??? Lets hear it.

1560kg (3439 pounds) - poss nearer 3500 pounds if you get more equipment than we do.

(try a search for advevo posts if you want to see the spec sheet that quotes this!)

[imported_tdc]

Sorry, but there is NO WAY the 135i weighs 200lbs MORE than a 328i coupe.

I'm pretty sure the closer figure is 3186lbs.

[danp]

Originally Posted by tdc

Sorry, but there is NO WAY the 135i weighs 200lbs MORE than a 328i coupe.

I'm pretty sure the closer figure is 3186lbs.

3186pounds is the totally unladen weight (not EU1 / NA spec)...the quoted weight on the BMWUSA website will be between 3400 and 3500 pounds...I am 99% confident of that...mark my words! (or post)

[blacknbean]

using this article http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...Series/226353/ they mention a power to weight ratio of 206bhp per tonne

using simple algebra 206bhp/1000kg =302bhp/x

x=1466kg or 3225 lbs

[Deuces Wild]

Hey guys 1st post here for me! Seriously thinking about dumping my 93 Supra for the 135i when I would be able to order one at msrp.

I came up with about 3200lbs with some quick math I did using BMW Englands website. Let me know what you think.

130i M-sport (3 door hatch) weighs in at 1450kg (3190lbs).

For a comparison how how much more the hatch weighs then the trunked verion I looked at the 3 wagon vs. the sedan. Using the same model (335i m-sports) the hatch version weighs in 80kg more than the sedan. So we can knock of I'd guess 50-70kg from the weight of that 130i M-sport so a coupe version would be 1380-1400kg.

Now lets look at the weight between the 330i m-sport coupe vs. the 335i m-sport coupe. We have 1545 and 1600 respectfully. So the turbo powerplant adds 55kg putting our 135i m-sport coupe somewhere in the 1435-1455kg range (or about 3200lbs. even).

Does that seem wrong? Given the size difference between the 335i and the 135i I fail to see how the 135i could not weigh substantially less than the 335i.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by Deuces Wild

Hey guys 1st post here for me! Seriously thinking about dumping my 93 Supra for the 135i when I would be able to order one at msrp.

I came up with about 3200lbs with some quick math I did using BMW Englands website. Let me know what you think.

130i M-sport (3 door hatch) weighs in at 1450kg (3190lbs).

For a comparison how how much more the hatch weighs then the trunked verion I looked at the 3 wagon vs. the sedan. Using the same model (335i m-sports) the hatch version weighs in 80kg more than the sedan. So we can knock of I'd guess 50-70kg from the weight of that 130i M-sport so a coupe version would be 1380-1400kg.

Now lets look at the weight between the 330i m-sport coupe vs. the 335i m-sport coupe. We have 1545 and 1600 respectfully. So the turbo powerplant adds 55kg putting our 135i m-sport coupe somewhere in the 1435-1455kg range (or about 3200lbs. even).

Does that seem wrong? Given the size difference between the 335i and the 135i I fail to see how the 135i could not weigh substantially less than the 335i.

Welcome man!!! The car really has an effect on you if you wanna trade in your Supra. I'd figure you would go the STI/EVO route. But welcome and I hope that your weight estimate along with the others that are below 3300 is spot on. Even if its 3300, I dont care. I drove a 335i sedan thats 3500lbs last week and I had no complaints. I still blush when I pass one on the road.

[Propagator]

OK, it's great that so many people are intersted in this topic, but it seems like the correct information that have been presented too often get lost again after a few posts from new members. (BTW, welcome everyone!)

FACT: 135i weight = EU 3439 lbs

QUESTION: Does this include fuel and the driver?

CONFUSION: Why does UK website uses the term "Unladen (EU)" (much like the term that appears in the US website) to quote basically the same weight as the German website?

ANSWER 1: The german website clearly states that the EU weight includes 90% fuel, 68kg driver, and 7kg luggage. Again, these are the same number as the ones in UK website, and very similar to the ones in US website.

ANSWER 2: Despite the confusing english terminology, "unladen" weight that appears in US website very likely includes 90% fuel, 68KG driver, and 7kg luggage.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by spinzero

OK, it's great that so many people are intersted in this topic, but it seems like the correct information that have been presented too often get lost again after a few posts from new members. (BTW, welcome everyone!)

FACT: 135i weight = EU 3439 lbs

QUESTION: Does this include fuel and the driver?

CONFUSION: Why does UK website uses the term "Unladen (EU)" (much like the term that appears in the US website) to quote basically the same weight as the German website?

ANSWER 1: The german website clearly states that the EU weight includes 90% fuel, 68kg driver, and 7kg luggage. Again, these are the same number as the ones in UK website, and very similar to the ones in US website.

ANSWER 2: Despite the confusing english terminology, "unladen" weight that appears in US website very likely includes 90% fuel, 68KG driver, and 7kg luggage.

Thanks SPIN!