[Tine]

Speed, which info from Scott do you think is wrong?

The details where his info differes from yours are:

- 335i: 3.5L I6 NA vs. 3.0L I6 twin turbo
- the introdustion of new engines in a 3er sedans: MY 2007 (September 2006) vs. MY 2008 (early 2007).
- a 330i sedan status: being replaced with 335i vs. staying in the market.
- production start of 3er coupe: June '06 vs. April '06.

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by Tine

Speed, which info from Scott do you think is wrong?

The details where his info differes from yours are:

- 335i: 3.5L I6 NA vs. 3.0L I6 twin turbo
- the introdustion of new engines in a 3er sedans: MY 2007 (September 2006) vs. MY 2008 (early 2007).
- a 330i sedan status: being replaced with 335i vs. staying in the market.
- production start of 3er coupe: June '06 vs. April '06.

All.

335i as NA for MY07 SOP Sept.
330i out... 335i in.
I've said June'06 for coupe production... not April.

[Tine]

So, 335i sedan MY 2007 with 3.5L I6 NA DI(?) engine - SOP September '06 will replace 330i sedan MY 2006 - according to your info.

And, 3er coupe (SOP June '06) will debute as MY 2007 328Ci (I6 DI engine; 3.0L or 2.5L?) and 335Ci (3.5L I6 NA DI(?) engine) - according to your info.

Right?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

If BMW NA had any doubts about the level of interest in the 335, the 10,000 hits on this thread in less than a week ought to be a wake up call. I cannot fathom how they could have the 335 in the E92, and delay its intro in the E90&91 for a year after that. I am thinking summer 06 for E92, then fall 06 for E90&91.

WOW!.....
I started a thread with over 10,000 hits???? Amazing.

Who would've thought it was possible?

[eshamas21]

Soo speedfreak when do u think BMW will release official pics of the e92? sorry if this has been asked...

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by eshamas21

Soo speedfreak when do u think BMW will release official pics of the e92? sorry if this has been asked...

I believe Jan'06... but word is that they could come out mid Dec... I hope mid Dec...

...but there is no official word on when we will get official word.

[wyrm11]

I just wanted to bring this quote over to this thread. In the thread where a guy is trying to decide between a new 330i or a used C32 AMG, a C32 owner said this:

Originally Posted by cliverman

It depends on what expect out of the car. Before I go any further let me say that I currently drive a '02 C32 so I'm a little biased. However, I did own a '01 330i with many,many mods. I was completely with my 330 until I drove the C32. It had (and still has) more power than any stock 3 series, including the M3. BMW power, in my opinion is weird. It always feels like you have more than the numbers. Now that I've muddied the waters a bit.....
I like the E90, it's a great car. It just needs more power. Give it another 50whp and I'd buy it in a heart beat. I do like the new styling and interior of the E90's.

This is EXACTLY why BMW is coming out with the 335. The e90 is a great car anyway, but why not just up the HP and get an additional several thousand buyers like this who are on the fence with regards to the current 330?

BMW performance and handling with more HP than everyone else? That's a no brainer. That's what the 335 represents.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by wyrm11

This is EXACTLY why BMW is coming out with the 335. The e90 is a great car anyway, but why not just up the HP and get an additional several thousand buyers like this who are on the fence with regards to the current 330?

BMW performance and handling with more HP than everyone else? That's a no brainer. That's what the 335 represents.

BMW could have used this strategy all along if it was feasible.
They do have limitations, you know....like cost, demand, etc. It seems like its going to happen, but its not like they had any problems selling the 3 Series because of horsepower. We all know the biggest seller is the 325.

Also, the C32 is an AMG car & competes directly with an M3, not a regular 3 Series.

[wyrm11]

Originally Posted by RichReg

Also, the C32 is an AMG car & competes directly with an M3, not a regular 3 Series.

Yea but with the new IS and soon to be released G35, the same horsepower argument still stands with the current 330.

I agree BMW could have done this to start with...I have no idea why they didn't. Seems to me like they realized their mistake and are making the necessary changes.

Or maybe like others have said, they're just releasing a new version to further increase sales?

All I know is that upping the HP is a must.

[Bimmerista]

Originally Posted by wyrm11

Yea but with the new IS and soon to be released G35, the same horsepower argument still stands with the current 330.

I agree BMW could have done this to start with...I have no idea why they didn't. Seems to me like they realized their mistake and are making the necessary changes.

Or maybe like others have said, they're just releasing a new version to further increase sales?

All I know is that upping the HP is a must.

Don't forget that BMW HAS increased the Hp upon release of the e90. Competition responded, BMW is responding in a way that does not render their lin-up obsolete and they can charge a premium for it -good marketing folks.

[JBOO]

I suggest Speedfreak and Tine lay down a bet.

Whom ever turns out to be wrong must leave E90Post forever

Just kidding.

I'd be really surprised to see the 330 replaced with the 335. The 330 was a good value compared to the previous E46. A similarly priced 335 would be unbelieveable. I don't see BMW doing this, especially so early in its life cycle. Its not like its not selling. I'm more inclined to think it will be slotted in between the 330 and next M3. I'd also be surprised to see a new 3.5 NA engine and not a turboed 3.0L.

[Tine]

My latest info is that Speed may be right.


Quote:
"Your friend might know more than he lets on. Because this subject is very much in discussion. I am keeping close to the ground , however i have found that the Turbo will be Europe and Asia only , The Turbo will not fit in with BMW's image in the Image concious BMW market in the USA

So they will get a NA detuned version while we get the turbo. There is also the marketing point of view for Europe - BMW can associate turbo technology with their diesel models ( remeber US diesel market for BMW is non existent) which builds a bridge to the petrol turbo introduction. Europe will also see in 2005 the introduction of the 335d , With the 335's think of the M3 E36 , The european model was more powerful than the US model.

If the E92 spy pic makes it to the media , then launch could be brought forward - Witness the E90 leak - official release came right after , Particularly when E46 stocks were still available.

The E93 will get a press release in the Summer of 2006 prior to World Premiere at the Paris Motor show in September , The X5 is also expected to debut there as well as the new MINI."




Sorry for inconvenience.

So, the only dignified move from my now is to leave this forum forever. Totally discredited.

Bye.

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by JBOO

I suggest Speedfreak and Tine lay down a bet.

Whom ever turns out to be wrong must leave E90Post forever

Just kidding.

I'd be really surprised to see the 330 replaced with the 335. The 330 was a good value compared to the previous E46. A similarly priced 335 would be unbelieveable. I don't see BMW doing this, especially so early in its life cycle. Its not like its not selling. I'm more inclined to think it will be slotted in between the 330 and next M3. I'd also be surprised to see a new 3.5 NA engine and not a turboed 3.0L.

Believe it!

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by Tine

My latest info is that Speed may be right.

More here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...&page=17&pp=25

Sorry for inconvenience.

So, the only dignified move from my now is to leave this forum forever. Totally discredited.

Bye.

Come now, Tine... don't be so harsh on yourself. I, for one, would like to see you stick around. You stood by your source. I respect you for that. Please reconsider. I think the community is better as a result of your involvement. I'm serious.

[SpeedFreak!]

Hey... BTW... to further substantiate our position... BMW FS just (11-17) announced a new Lease Special for 24 months... Hmmm... why do you think they chose 24 months? History will support that a lease special like this precedes a change of some kind that BMW FS knows will impact future car values. The following cars are included in the special:
325i changing to the 328i in MY07 (Sept'06 production)
525i changing to the 528i in MY07 (Sept'06 production)
X3 changing to the new motor in MY07 (Sept'06 production)
X5 complete change in MY07 (Sept'06 production)

The 330/530/X5 4.4 are limited enough in their production that they don't need a supported program like the entry level (more mass produced) cars do in order to insure that there is no back log of inventory.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Tine

My latest info is that Speed may be right.

So, the only dignified move from my now is to leave this forum forever. Totally discredited.

Bye.

Don't do that!
Scott is partly to blame for some of the misleading info.
And its really a lot of guesswork anyway.
Nobody here is actually responsible for signing on the dotted line, so to speak.

[3aficionado]

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Come now, Tine... don't be so harsh on yourself. I, for one, would like to see you stick around. You stood by your source. I respect you for that. Please reconsider. I think the community is better as a result of your involvement. I'm serious.

I agree. You keep each other striving for the best info and make sure someone doesn’t go wild with rumors. Checks and balances are what make this forum great. With both of your hard work we have two independent sources finally agreeing on BMWs future models. Who cares which source was right first. There’s a lot of value you both add to this forum.

[wyrm11]

tine no need to leave, just graciously acknowledging that SpeedFreak was right is the way to go.

Btw, Speed, never doubted ya! And I think some folks owe you an apology...AGAIN!

Thanks for the info.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by RichReg

WOW!.....
I started a thread with over 10,000 hits???? Amazing.

Who would've thought it was possible?

Started: 24,665 hits, no replies

-Brett

[JBOO]

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Believe it!

My only concession is that pricing hasn't been announced.

Again, if we get a 335 priced near a 330, that would be an unbelievable deal and is exactly what I would be opting for.

[JBOO]

[QUOTE=Tine]My latest info is that Speed may be right.

Quote:
"The Turbo will not fit in with BMW's image in the Image concious BMW market in the USA

So they will get a NA detuned version while we get the turbo. ."

Upon further examination of Scott's quote, what engine will the US get a detuned version of? For him to use to word detuned, wouldn't there have to be a larger engine? (i.e, the current 325 is a detuned 330 engine)

[Jay_328]

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

Hey... BTW... to further substantiate our position... BMW FS just (11-17) announced a new Lease Special for 24 months... Hmmm... why do you think they chose 24 months? History will support that a lease special like this precedes a change of some kind that BMW FS knows will impact future car values. The following cars are included in the special:
325i changing to the 328i in MY07 (Sept'06 production)

Lease special thru Jan 3 2006: 325i with auto included

$369.00 month for 24 months Based on MSRP $32,870.00

$369.00 1st month's payment

$2,500.00 down payment

$400.00 security deposit

total of $3269.00 due at signing

Total lease payments $8,856.00 (including acquisition fee)

10,000 miles per year

325i w/ Metallic Paint and Sports Package, MSRP $33,670.00 is $383.00 month

I know you guys can find this info easily but I posted it anyway. Prices excludes tax, title, etc.