C&D Short Take Road Test: BMW 1M

FJUNO78 · 04-12-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

BMW already sent out recall letters concerning this issue

yea, not for the 1 series m coupe.

The entire recall is bullshit anyway. There is no fix. The newest pumps are failing too. This recall is a public relations tactic, launched the day after Dateline reported the issue on national tv.

stefan · 04-12-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

Apparently you can since that is what M gmbh has apparently done....did you even read the article? Have you even seen what is being done with the modded 135i's on this site? LSD...been done, Wide body...been done, M3 suspension parts (wishbones, various links, bushings, swaybars) been done....I ONCE AGAIN reiterate....for EXISTING 135i owners this is not a BIG jump in performance...at least not IMHO....

For existing 1 owners.. yeah I'd agree with you there. Not worth selling your car over since the cost of said upgrades could be spread out over time if you really wanted them. Even then there are excellent, say, suspension parts that can be had for cheaper than genuine M parts. As for the engine tune, that's relatively simple as you mentioned. Though the beefened driveshaft is unobtainable.

But for the prospective buyer 1M makes a TON of sense as what you have mentioned is insanely costly. Apparently Canada thinks so as they are sold out across the country AFAIK. Anyway; the widebody + proper paint job modification to the 135i alone will account for the cost differential between the two cars. I mean, I'd be cross shopping the 1M against a 335i and it's easy to pick the winner there.

clived · 04-12-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

Apparently you can since that is what M gmbh has apparently done....did you even read the article? Have you even seen what is being done with the modded 135i's on this site? LSD...been done, Wide body...been done, M3 suspension parts (wishbones, various links, bushings, swaybars) been done....I ONCE AGAIN reiterate....for EXISTING 135i owners this is not a BIG jump in performance...at least not IMHO....

Anyone got the lightened flywheel and lightened driveshaft?

The widebody's that have been done, did they actually increase the track width?

pyrat · 04-12-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

I opened a thread a couple weeks ago on this very subject....it is really worth it IF you already own a 135i? Maybe, maybe not....for me personally I tuned my car from day 1 (meaning certain parts of my warranty weren't that big a deal for me). Now that I am out of warranty 50k miles later do I seriously want to buy a new 1M for less power and better handling that I could just swap the parts out for on my 135i(LSD, Suspension bits)? Nah...I will keep my 135i....the only thing that I REALLY want on the 1M is the wide-body...thats it....sorry

*note* This is for existing tuned 135i owners...a new buyer...by all means get the 1M...I would...

Far better? That 0.3 sec to 60mph and the 0.1 sec in the 1/4mile does not equal far better...sorry (esp. against an even lightly tuned N54 135i ie, SSTT). The LSD is better but your other points are a push.

Its not that the car ISN'T good...many are saying that it isn't enough of a separation from the 135i. You DO realize this is the first M-badged car in the last 25 years without a true M gmbh sourced engine??? That in and of itself is disappointing.....seriously the suspension stuff was figured out by people on this forum looong before this 1M came out (Berk, HPAuto, etc, etc..). C'mon man...its simple...some people are sheep

I agree that it is not financially intelligent to sell a 135i (especially recently purchased or modded) for the 1M. However, if you are upgrading from e46 3-series, or another sporty car not even if the 135i league, it is definitely worth considering.

adrean8j · 04-12-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stefan

For existing 1 owners.. yeah I'd agree with you there. Not worth selling your car over since the cost of said upgrades could be spread out over time if you really wanted them. Even then there are excellent, say, suspension parts that can be had for cheaper than genuine M parts. As for the engine tune, that's relatively simple as you mentioned. Though the beefened driveshaft is unobtainable.

But for the prospective buyer 1M makes a TON of sense as what you have mentioned is insanely costly. Apparently Canada thinks so as they are sold out across the country AFAIK. Anyway; the widebody + proper paint job modification to the 135i alone will account for the cost differential between the two cars. I mean, I'd be cross shopping the 1M against a 335i and it's easy to pick the winner there.

Yep you got it...I am speaking solely IRT existing 135i owners.

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Originally Posted by clived

Anyone got the lightened flywheel and lightened driveshaft?

The widebody's that have been done, did they actually increase the track width?

No flywheel or driveshaft that I know of....although I think they redid the transmission in the 1M so they could redo the flywheel and driveshaft...is it worth me or anyone else trading in their 135i? I don't think so...do you think it is worth it?

As far as the widebody's go I just know it allowed them to put wider rubber on the car. To be honest I love the widebody on the 1M....I love the 1M as well and if they had it available back when I was shopping around it would have been the car I would be purchasing. But is it worth it to trade-in or sell my current 1er? I truly don't think so...

Red135 · 04-12-2011, 01:54 PM

For a good time, read the comments section below the article.

fastauto · 04-12-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red135

For a good time, read the comments section below the article.

haha, i just read through a few. people are so funny and some are really dumb. you take this car and dump(lower) it on a set of bbs lm's and i will show you a car that most people will have a hard time not falling in love with.

pyrat · 04-12-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fastauto

haha, i just read through a few. people are so funny and some are really dumb. you take this car and dump(lower) it on a set of bbs lm's and i will show you a car that most people will have a hard time not falling in love with.

I agree that a drop will help, but the stock wheels are sweet.

pyrat · 04-12-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red135

For a good time, read the comments section below the article.

haha thanks for pointing this out.

fastauto · 04-12-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pyrat

I agree that a drop will help, but the stock wheels are sweet.

yeah, the stock wheels alone are amazing however if you lower the car on a nice set of wheels with a lip, it will really make that wide body pop.

lavaletta · 04-12-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by adrean8j

Apparently you can since that is what M gmbh has apparently done....did you even read the article? Have you even seen what is being done with the modded 135i's on this site? LSD...been done, Wide body...been done, M3 suspension parts (wishbones, various links, bushings, swaybars) been done....I ONCE AGAIN reiterate....for EXISTING 135i owners this is not a BIG jump in performance...at least not IMHO....

Bollocks. Except for the engine, basically everything under the skin is different to the 135i. You think you can mod an extra 2.5 inches in WIDTH? It's funny how every person who wants to whine about the 1M seems to have recently bought a 135.

Well rationalize it any way you like...we'll see how you feel when you first pull up at the lights next to one.

fastauto · 04-12-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lavaletta

Bollocks. Except for the engine, basically everything under the skin is different to the 135i. You think you can mod an extra 2.5 inches in WIDTH? It's funny how every person who wants to whine about the 1M seems to have recently bought a 135.

Well rationalize it any way you like...we'll see how you feel when you first pull up at the lights next to one.

haha, yup. the car is more like a twin turbo charged m3 than it is a 135

James T. Kirk · 04-12-2011, 03:38 PM

What was odd about the article was that the writer tried to position the review from the perspective of an M purist. As if anyone could understand our insane minds!

Arguing 135i vs 1M is as unproductive as arguing 335i vs M3. They're two different animals that are styled and equipped quite differently. Buy what you want and let that speak for itself.

///M1 · 04-12-2011, 04:17 PM

Man, this thread is quickly spiraling downward into the "1M is a glorified 135i and should be called the 135is" thread. There are about N+1 of such threads, feel free to update/revive those.

To each their own, I feel like puking everytime we veer in that direction. As a 135i owner, with a decent amount of (suspension and other) mods, I can tell you the 1 ///M is an easy upgrade decision for me. If it disappoints from my already set high expectations, look for it on the For Sale forum shortly I am back from Europe with it, but that is highly unlikely (unless ///M GmbH are really off their rockers).

When I got my E39 M5, the same set of discussion was there: you can make a 540i into an M5. Ditto for the RS 4, haters (i.e. people that really want to have it but couldn't) were saying it's just a glorified S4. People need to understand (or they rather not as it gives them more self assurance I suppose) that M/quattro/AMG cars are more than just a wide body and a suspension kit...

The 135i already set a high standard, the 1///M just pushed it further. Justify for yourself that the 1 ///M is not worth the extra money if it lets you sleep better at night. It seems that you hear that mostly from either existing 135i or M3 owners. Don't need to wonder why... As I said, to each their own...

clived · 04-12-2011, 04:27 PM

@adrean8j - Yes, I think it is worth it, or else I wouldn't have ordered a 1M to replace my 135i

The UK product manager for 1 told me about the lightened flyweel and driveshaft. Has no-one else heard about that?

///M1 · 04-12-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clived

@adrean8j - Yes, I think it is worth it, or else I wouldn't have ordered a 1M to replace my 135i

The UK product manager for 1 told me about the lightened flyweel and driveshaft. Has no-one else heard about that?

BTW, Scott once said (assuming it is true) that you will be able to order 1///M parts only if you provide your VIN. So if true, one may not be able to 'replicate' the unique 1///M parts/panels etc. Just sayin'

Red135 · 04-12-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M1

BTW, Scott once said (assuming it is true) that you will be able to order 1///M parts only if you provide your VIN. So if true, one may not be able to 'replicate' the unique 1///M parts/panels etc. Just sayin'

If that is true, just order M3 parts.

tweeter81 · 04-12-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pyrat

+1

Not to mention impressive .97 drag coefficient and braking numbers.

Umm...I think you must be talking about the 0.97 g on the skidpad. If this car had a 0.97 Cd (Coefficient of Drag), it would be about equivalent to a semi truck's Cd.

Boxercup · 04-12-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M1

BTW, Scott once said (assuming it is true) that you will be able to order 1///M parts only if you provide your VIN. So if true, one may not be able to 'replicate' the unique 1///M parts/panels etc. Just sayin'

In the UK you have never been able to buy ///M parts without a relevent chassis number.

FJUNO78 · 04-12-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lavaletta

Well rationalize it any way you like...we'll see how you feel when you first pull up at the lights next to one.

That's where you are missing the point... A 135i running a a PNP tune will easily beat an 1 series m coupe with a red light to red light pull. I bet a stock 135i will hang in there pretty good too.

Around a proper track, it will be a different story i'm sure.

My car is mod free, and the extra fractions of a second do not entice me to consider this when my lease is up. I think it will be too similar to what I already have.

doublevanosrc · 04-12-2011, 05:27 PM

I believe the 1M is a sweet car no doubt but I'm left wondering what if? What if BMW would of dropped the M3's V8 in that thing? What a machine it would been, I have a hard time accepting that like some have mentioned it's really just a 135is instead of a true M car or is it? I guess only time and resells value will tell. I understand where FJUNO78 is coming from.

vantagesc · 04-12-2011, 05:37 PM

I think it's a true M car based on my understanding of all the suspension modifications. I suspect the "feel" of the car will be much different. The engine in the 135i is already pretty darn good, so the lack of true M motor doesn't bother.

But you're right. Proof is in the pudding and time will tell (insert any other common sayings here.

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