The stupidest 1M crash in Hong Kong

Pete_vB · 04-20-2012, 12:00 AM

The 1M with TC off will teach you to drive. Possibly the hard way.

Jezzer · 04-20-2012, 01:09 AM

I wonder if it didn't help with the painted white lines he may have also lost grip when his tyres came in contact with these in the wet

woosh · 04-20-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by toni8284

That's right.

I bought one too. Only US$25 each.

It will record video and take photo. It starts record if you turn the car on and if memory (micro SD) ran out, it will record over the old file. So you don't have to care about the memory size.

That's cheap! Got a link?

HALOTHANE · 04-20-2012, 01:54 AM

According to the video, it's a 2009 model!

clived · 04-20-2012, 02:41 AM

Is this some magical thread there most people who are going to post in it aren't going to read any of the thread before they post?

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Originally Posted by madmaxhk

A VO BMW 1M spun in Hong Kong on 19th April 2012 and damaged front and rear bumper, may be radiator as well.
Skip to 1:01 for the scene.

YOU REPOSTED THE VIDEO THAT STARTED THE THREAD! (Yes, I know I'm shouting

)

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Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Did anyone metion that he probably had the DCS off or was in MDM? Thats what I think combined with driving on a wet road, going over a bump then trying to accel......

Yes, most of the discussion is about that ;-)

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Originally Posted by 1MVO

According to the video, it's a 2009 model!

Already spotted, already explained.

I don't think I got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, but seriously people, can we not even cast our eye over the threads we're going to try to add value to before posting?

ny911 · 04-20-2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by swift_switch

Hey Guys,

This just happened yesterday. It has been raining for the past few days in HK. Although i live in HK now, this just affirms my "pregidous view" that HK people don't know how to drive in the rain.

I also own a VO 1M...

Talking on paper is always easier than doing or acting in reality.

Aussie_in_London · 04-20-2012, 04:00 AM

Don't crucify until you see this 'real' stupid crash lol (not a BMW but)

EmmDrei · 04-20-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mlhj83

It can. It's not just about speed but rather how abrupt you are with the throttle. Have a look at one of my track day videos below. Fast forward to 7m55s onwards. I could easily induce oversteer with MDM in the wet at speeds of about 40mph. I'm not saying that the driver in that 1M is definitely in MDM, it's just a possibility.

The MDM in the M3 is set up differently than that in the 1M. The MDM in the 1M is a lot more restrictive than that in the M3. You can initiate wheelspin with the M3s MDM, a 1M will not allow you to do that. And that fact makes controled drifting in the 1M virtually impossible in MDM. Mind you... drifting. That's not powerslides or induced oversteer. You can powerslide the 1M in MDM. I am pretty sure you could spin it too doing so, but I haven't tried.

EmmDrei · 04-20-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ianf

That is BS. wheelspin is easy in a 1M in MDM, as is drifting.

Ah ha. So the australian MDM setup is different than what they deliver here?

Honestly you either do not know what wheelspin and what a drift is or you have never tried either in a 1M. In MDM the moment a wheel spins and the lsd engages, then the DTC kicks in and cuts power. Both in a corner as well as in a straight line. Again... I am not speaking about powerslides, the DSC and DTCs reactions are too slow to prevent those. I have not managed a 360° slide in MDM and I just tried yesterday evening. I wouldn't know how to drift the car like that. But maybe you can tell me how it's done?

david.orr · 04-20-2012, 05:12 AM

What I find amazing is how the camera-mounted car was travelling just a right distance back, at the right speed, in lane with full view of impact... and the incident involved a 1M. An amazing coincidence. Whatever the cause, it's sickening to see an actual 1M accident played out on my pc.

EmmDrei · 04-20-2012, 05:15 AM

@ianf: Hmmm... maybe our cars electronics really are different?

My car will not allow me to do a burnout style start in MDM. Not more than about a Meter after the start will the DTC cut in and cut the power. Something I haven't tried though is to engage the lsd and to try it then. The scenario above happens when one wheel slips.

Lateral movements "around" corners are powerslides. Power oversteering. Drifting is something else. As I wrote above, power oversteer is not a problem. But even basics such as the scandinavian flick do not work with MDM, the DSC immediately cuts in and the result is under- and not oversteer.

The color could be the problem. Never thought of that.

Shost · 04-20-2012, 09:37 AM

Can we all now agree that the 1M is very tricky in the wet/cold even with DSC on or with MDM?

Agreed. Good now we can laugh at the poor man's misfortune!

I've managed to get to full opposite lock to control a 2nd gear slide on a wet roundabout (big circular road with bits coming off it - like a Oval circuit for our US members) with MDM and sport enabled. In fact it can even go sideways in a straight line with enough force.

The guy in the vid should probably go back to walking.

Dan Parker · 04-20-2012, 10:10 AM

So let me get this straight. The debate is over? I was just starting to get dizzy from deja vu in this thread. It's raining here so I'm going to go out to see if I can duplicate this with MDM on just to be sure it's possible. Wish me luck!

BrokenVert · 04-20-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie_in_London

Don't crucify until you see this 'real' stupid crash lol (not a BMW but)

Thats hilarious!

Also the mods should merge the two threads on this.

UsualSuspect · 04-20-2012, 10:18 AM

He didn't know his own driving limitations. Hey the date on the video is April 23, 2009, that can't be correct, right?

BrokenVert · 04-20-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UsualSuspect

He didn't know his own driving limitations. Hey the date on the video is April 23, 2009, that can't be correct, right?

TIL Hong Kong is currently 3 days into the future

EmmDrei · 04-20-2012, 10:21 AM

I have now looked at the video.

I wouldn't be too fast at calling the guy a fool. And I would not bet on the fact, that he was in MDM or DSC off.

There is another possible option, with DSC fully engaged... he simply set his car to drive at a certain speed. I don't know, what the thing is called in english. Speed control? There seems to be something on the road just before he loses it.

Speed control (or whatever the stuff is called) can result in an accident just like this one.

The car drives along, set to a certain speed.
A wheel loses traction.
The lsd engages.
The cars rear will move in the direction opposite the wheel that lost traction.
The speed control detects the car is slowing and accelerates.
The movement of the rear is not fast and hard enough for the DSC to detect it and engage.
The DSC does NOT deactivate the speed control.
The rear end moves further and faster.
The car slows down more.
More acceleration.
Booom.

Yes, a driver that is not sound asleep can prevent this type of thing from happening. A driver that realizes what his car does, will not engage the speed control in slippery conditions.

How many here realize that and don't?

UsualSuspect · 04-20-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

TIL Hong Kong is currently 3 days into the future

LOL...I meant that because of the date the 1M wasn't out.

BrokenVert · 04-20-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UsualSuspect

LOL...I meant that because of the date the 1M wasn't out.

did not look at the year. Guess I better change my story.

TIL Hong Kong -despite looking like a city from the future - is actually 2 years and 362 days in the past.
Could it be that they exist in a bubble of spacetime showing what the world would look like without war?
A world in which the 135 actually was completed as originally intended resulting in the 1M actually being released in 2008?

Discuss.

///M1 · 04-20-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EmmDrei

@ianf: Hmmm... maybe our cars electronics really are different?

My car will not allow me to do a burnout style start in MDM. Not more than about a Meter after the start will the DTC cut in and cut the power. Something I haven't tried though is to engage the lsd and to try it then. The scenario above happens when one wheel slips.

Lateral movements "around" corners are powerslides. Power oversteering. Drifting is something else. As I wrote above, power oversteer is not a problem. But even basics such as the scandinavian flick do not work with MDM, the DSC immediately cuts in and the result is under- and not oversteer.

I'll throw in something for good measure: the tuner I am working with had this interesting observation based on looking at severe 1///Ms: very early US cars had less restrictive DTC than later builds. Dunno what prompted this, but apparently that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Aussie_in_London

Don't crucify until you see this 'real' stupid crash lol (not a BMW but)

This guy must have been inspired too much by how Alonso warms up his tires LOL

EmmDrei · 04-20-2012, 10:44 AM

@///M1: Interesting but that does not really explain the comparo with ianf. My car was among the first to be delivered to the dealers in Germany. I had the chance to drive one of the BMW M test cars before I took delivery of my 1M and that had exactly the same restrictive setup my car has. About half a year after I had mine, I drove a demo-1M that came straight from Munich and that also had an identical setup.

as7920 · 04-20-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmDrei

........I had the chance to drive one of the BMW M test cars before I took delivery of my 1M....

We're you one of the 12 on the Pre-drive or was this another avenue?

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Jezzer Banned 116 Rep 938 Posts Drives: Series 1 m coupe Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I wonder if it didn't help with the painted white lines he may have also lost grip when his tyres came in contact with these in the wet
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david.orr Lieutenant Colonel 123 Rep 1,852 Posts Drives: Cars Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	What I find amazing is how the camera-mounted car was travelling just a right distance back, at the right speed, in lane with full view of impact... and the incident involved a 1M. An amazing coincidence. Whatever the cause, it's sickening to see an actual 1M accident played out on my pc.
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EmmDrei Lieutenant 26 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 2011 Saphire Black 1M Coupé Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 300km to the Nordschleife iTrader: (0)	@ianf: Hmmm... maybe our cars electronics really are different? My car will not allow me to do a burnout style start in MDM. Not more than about a Meter after the start will the DTC cut in and cut the power. Something I haven't tried though is to engage the lsd and to try it then. The scenario above happens when one wheel slips. Lateral movements "around" corners are powerslides. Power oversteering. Drifting is something else. As I wrote above, power oversteer is not a problem. But even basics such as the scandinavian flick do not work with MDM, the DSC immediately cuts in and the result is under- and not oversteer. The color could be the problem. Never thought of that. __________________ The best piece of road - worldwide. Last edited by EmmDrei; 04-20-2012 at 05:17 AM.. Reason: Added the last two sentences.
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Shost First Lieutenant 25 Rep 302 Posts Drives: 1M Coupe BSM Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Essex iTrader: (0)	Can we all now agree that the 1M is very tricky in the wet/cold even with DSC on or with MDM? Agreed. Good now we can laugh at the poor man's misfortune! I've managed to get to full opposite lock to control a 2nd gear slide on a wet roundabout (big circular road with bits coming off it - like a Oval circuit for our US members) with MDM and sport enabled. In fact it can even go sideways in a straight line with enough force. The guy in the vid should probably go back to walking.
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Dan Parker Major 79 Rep 1,421 Posts Drives: 2012 Golf R Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Georgia iTrader: (0)	So let me get this straight. The debate is over? I was just starting to get dizzy from deja vu in this thread. It's raining here so I'm going to go out to see if I can duplicate this with MDM on just to be sure it's possible. Wish me luck! __________________ Dan Parker
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UsualSuspect Lieutenant General *** 61 Rep 751 Posts Drives: this way and that way... Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Boston iTrader: (4)	He didn't know his own driving limitations. Hey the date on the video is April 23, 2009, that can't be correct, right? __________________ Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film.
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EmmDrei Lieutenant 26 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 2011 Saphire Black 1M Coupé Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 300km to the Nordschleife iTrader: (0)	I have now looked at the video. I wouldn't be too fast at calling the guy a fool. And I would not bet on the fact, that he was in MDM or DSC off. There is another possible option, with DSC fully engaged... he simply set his car to drive at a certain speed. I don't know, what the thing is called in english. Speed control? There seems to be something on the road just before he loses it. Speed control (or whatever the stuff is called) can result in an accident just like this one. The car drives along, set to a certain speed. A wheel loses traction. The lsd engages. The cars rear will move in the direction opposite the wheel that lost traction. The speed control detects the car is slowing and accelerates. The movement of the rear is not fast and hard enough for the DSC to detect it and engage. The DSC does NOT deactivate the speed control. The rear end moves further and faster. The car slows down more. More acceleration. Booom. Yes, a driver that is not sound asleep can prevent this type of thing from happening. A driver that realizes what his car does, will not engage the speed control in slippery conditions. How many here realize that and don't? __________________ The best piece of road - worldwide.
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EmmDrei Lieutenant 26 Rep 401 Posts Drives: 2011 Saphire Black 1M Coupé Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: 300km to the Nordschleife iTrader: (0)	@///M1: Interesting but that does not really explain the comparo with ianf. My car was among the first to be delivered to the dealers in Germany. I had the chance to drive one of the BMW M test cars before I took delivery of my 1M and that had exactly the same restrictive setup my car has. About half a year after I had mine, I drove a demo-1M that came straight from Munich and that also had an identical setup. __________________ The best piece of road - worldwide.
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