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      09-15-2016, 11:44 AM   #1
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Awesome!! Love his commentary. There is a great older video on /Drive (or one of those affiliates) where he discuss the modern sports car lacking in soul due to becoming too complicated. Can't seem to find it. It was long but a good discussion.

Edit: Found it...
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Wow! I was wondering where he stood on it since he always cared about how cars feel more than numbers. Nothing is more believable than when someone that basically get any car in that price range votes with his own money! Welcome to the club sir!
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If you are out there, welcome to the club, Chris! Nice color choice

CH stands out as one of the best automotive journalists around because you just know hes a diehard enthusiast undereath it all.

Certain chris harris moments get seared into your memory such as his interview with Spinelli (where he talks about how awesome cars like the M3 with hydraulic steering are) and his 'tearful' goodbye to the W204 C63. This now goes onto the list
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I just saw his Tweet about it and had to throw him props.
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Wow prefers it to the M2. That should add a few more pounds to those 1M prices !! They are great cars
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Wow prefers it to the M2. That should add a few more pounds to those 1M prices !! They are great cars

Any proper sports car driver should. The M2 is faster but it is simply less challenging to drive and it's also less visceral because the controls are so soft. Steering is not as good in the M2. The clutch is softer/lighter and the gearbox is also slicker and therefore less tactile feel even when shifting.

While the 1M and M2 are quite similar, one is a " sports car for dummies " ( in that everything is dumbed down and simpler - aka auto rev match or DCT ) and the other is a sports car for drivers ( not racers).

I was under the impression that he had an E90 M3 in signal green ... ? I wonder if he's let it go.
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Great car, my sons dentist has a Valencia Orange with the Dinan stage 2.... sounds amazing... he sold a Carrera 4 to get it...
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Welcome to the club, shame about the colour
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Always bet on black !

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Wow prefers it to the M2. That should add a few more pounds to those 1M prices !! They are great cars

Any proper sports car driver should. The M2 is faster but it is simply less challenging to drive and it's also less visceral because the controls are so soft. Steering is not as good in the M2. The clutch is softer/lighter and the gearbox is also slicker and therefore less tactile feel even when shifting.

While the 1M and M2 are quite similar, one is a " sports car for dummies " ( in that everything is dumbed down and simpler - aka auto rev match or DCT ) and the other is a sports car for drivers ( not racers).

I was under the impression that he had an E90 M3 in signal green ... ? I wonder if he's let it go.
Proud to own a "sports car for dummies."

People crack me up.
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His review of the f10 M6 was awesome. I am a big fan. Welcome to the club Chris.
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Any proper sports car driver should. The M2 is faster but it is simply less challenging to drive and it's also less visceral because the controls are so soft. Steering is not as good in the M2. The clutch is softer/lighter and the gearbox is also slicker and therefore less tactile feel even when shifting.

While the 1M and M2 are quite similar, one is a " sports car for dummies " ( in that everything is dumbed down and simpler - aka auto rev match or DCT ) and the other is a sports car for drivers ( not racers).

I was under the impression that he had an E90 M3 in signal green ... ? I wonder if he's let it go.
I have never driven an M2 or 1M but since you mentioned "challenging to drive", I want to ask you a question just out of curiosity. Almost all the 1M reviews that I read or the comments from 1M owners claimed that when you drive it at its limits, it's almost like it's trying to kill you. I also read similar reviews about M4 as well due to its difficulty of putting the power down. Maybe M4 reviews didn't say it's trying to kill you but I sure remember the word "challenging to drive". On the other hand, for M2, like you said, most of the reviews mentioned how easy it's to drive. So here's my question as a person who doesn't have much track experience: Why would you want a car to be challenging to drive especially on a track where you are racing against time or other cars? Wouldn't a car that is easier to drive be more desirable? I have nothing against these two cars, just trying to learn more about them

By the way, he had an F80 in signal green but I don't know if he still has it.
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Any proper sports car driver should. The M2 is faster but it is simply less challenging to drive and it's also less visceral because the controls are so soft. Steering is not as good in the M2. The clutch is softer/lighter and the gearbox is also slicker and therefore less tactile feel even when shifting.

While the 1M and M2 are quite similar, one is a " sports car for dummies " ( in that everything is dumbed down and simpler - aka auto rev match or DCT ) and the other is a sports car for drivers ( not racers).

I was under the impression that he had an E90 M3 in signal green ... ? I wonder if he's let it go.
I have never driven an M2 or 1M but since you mentioned "challenging to drive", I want to ask you a question just out of curiosity. Almost all the 1M reviews that I read or the comments from 1M owners claimed that when you drive it at its limits, it's almost like it's trying to kill you. I also read similar reviews about M4 as well due to its difficulty of putting the power down. Maybe M4 reviews didn't say it's trying to kill you but I sure remember the word "challenging to drive". On the other hand, for M2, like you said, most of the reviews mentioned how easy it's to drive. So here's my question as a person who doesn't have much track experience: Why would you want a car to be challenging to drive especially on a track where you are racing against time or other cars? Wouldn't a car that is easier to drive be more desirable? I have nothing against these two cars, just trying to learn more about them

By the way, he had an F80 in signal green but I don't know if he still has it.
Love the question.

Would a qualified equestrian rider want to ride the " old mare" that's been put out to pasture that's a great teaching horse because it's " easy to ride " or would such a rider prefer a more challenging steed ?

I think we can agree that the old mare is great for teaching those new to the sport.

However it is a lot more rewarding to working with a horse that, while it may be a tad headstrong or difficult to control, does actually do what the rider wants.


If you are the type that plays video games and always uses the cheats before even trying, then to most enthusiasts that are already accomplished track drivers , that's what an M2 is.

Don't worry about learning the physics of driving because you just want to go fast without knowing How or why.

Don't worry about learning how to master the friction point of a clutch because you have auto rev match.

Don't worry about shifting and gearing - and the delicate balance between when to shift and when not to - instead just get the DCT to do it for you instead.

With the 1M- it's all the driver.

Nothing is shifting for you.
Nothing is rev-matching for you.
You can actually FEEL the roadway due to mechanical steering.

It's You driving , rather than the car doing all the work and you just steering.

If ones goal is fast lap times. Take the M2.

If ones goal is the joy of driving, then the car that requires the most input and control and *attention * from the driver , is the 1M.


I'm sure that Chris Harris could express this better than I.
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Cars are too fast now a days. It's no longer about what's "fastest". It's about what's most fun or rewarding or whatever you want to call it. I have way more fun going 60 in the 1m then 90 in an s65 amg (which is a lot faster).

When you first get into a new car that has a lot of speed you think "wow this is incredible. I love this car!" After that wears off in a week then you need other factors to make the car exciting. Old school bmw always shine in that regard and the 1m qualifies without a doubt. A lot of fast cars that are numbed down are the ones that get boring after a few weeks.

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Haha go on YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE....
I knew Mr Harris would end up in a 1M....He knows it's a special car, can't wait see him do some extra reviews on his new toy...
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Awesome!! Love his commentary. There is a great older video on /Drive (or one of those affiliates) where he discuss the modern sports car lacking in soul due to becoming too complicated. Can't seem to find it. It was long but a good discussion.

Edit: Found it...
1M is not any different. I like this guys reviews but he is praising everyone and everything and thus he is not doing us much service as far as validating the cars against each other or his Devine criteria for the cars.
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Awesome!! Love his commentary. There is a great older video on /Drive (or one of those affiliates) where he discuss the modern sports car lacking in soul due to becoming too complicated. Can't seem to find it. It was long but a good discussion.

Edit: Found it...
1M is not any different. I like this guys reviews but he is praising everyone and everything and thus he is not doing us much service as far as validating the cars against each other or his Devine criteria for the cars.
He is not just praising I car, he just put his hard earned money where his mouth is. That is the point of him paying a crazy amount for money, probably new M2 money on a 5 year old car. I think you missed that point sir. He is not just praising he could buy anything he wants and he bought a 1M. That is cool in my humble opinion.
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I have never driven an M2 or 1M but since you mentioned "challenging to drive", I want to ask you a question just out of curiosity. Almost all the 1M reviews that I read or the comments from 1M owners claimed that when you drive it at its limits, it's almost like it's trying to kill you. I also read similar reviews about M4 as well due to its difficulty of putting the power down. Maybe M4 reviews didn't say it's trying to kill you but I sure remember the word "challenging to drive". On the other hand, for M2, like you said, most of the reviews mentioned how easy it's to drive. So here's my question as a person who doesn't have much track experience: Why would you want a car to be challenging to drive especially on a track where you are racing against time or other cars? Wouldn't a car that is easier to drive be more desirable? I have nothing against these two cars, just trying to learn more about them

By the way, he had an F80 in signal green but I don't know if he still has it.
The Signal Green M car was a loner from BMW - it got returned... apparently - he has a great show on BBC America (on demand now).

As noted by others he is a car enthusiast- 1M is in all respects a drivers car! Wish I had one!
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