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There is something special that my 135is Convertible has, that even my M2 does not, and I enjoy driving the 135is as much as I do the M2, and in some cases I prefer it to the M2.
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Limited numbers, limited market, auto unappreciated & harder to sell vs 6MT & DCT, old enough to have higher mileage. So people looking for specific transmission, color combo, options & interior have to pay a premium. An auto, high mileage car is budget basement bargain. Oh and most BMWs that aren't M cars sell at a serious discount 5-10 years after initial sale. It'll be another 5-10 years before they are appreciated for what they are, a renewed version of the 2002 with a sprinkling of e46 magic dust.
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These earlier BMWs had way less in the way of electronics and other complicated stuff that can break and cost very serious cash to fix. They were basically analog cars. Maybe the secondary market will step up to the plate and produce some parts at much lower cost when these things break in the 1-Series, however 10 years out from production I think that a lot of them are going to be very uneconomical to keep running. The 1M will be an exception due to its collectible status, but even if a garden variety 1-Series by some stroke of luck is worth $15K 10 years after production, keeping it running and on the road, unless you are a mechanic or have a close friend or relative who is, could be a real challenge.
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As I have said before, I think a large part of why this could happen is that owners (as a group) may tend to treat them better, use them less, and keep them as 2nd or 3rd, or "weekend" cars, due to the perceived rarity. Most of the rest of the 1-Series cars, due to their reduced value, will end up as first cars for young people, or chosen for their cost not for their attributes. If this happens and if at 10 years of age the average 135is has, say, 30,000 miles on it vs. likely 80 or 100K miles on the more usual 135i, that will contribute to the idea that these are classic cars, distinct from the rest of the series.
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In any case, the 2002 was just as complicated (or not) as everything else for sale in that era. Everything was analog in 1973. So, the 135i is certainly no Honda Accord, but I don't think its that much different than everything out now. |
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Thanks everyone for the comments, help and commentary. I love the value discussions. Especially because I've been thinking about that a lot recently with the used Honda market. Some cars people thought would never have much value are not only holding value but increasing, some to a pretty extreme extent. I'm still a 1er novice but so far I'm thinking it may have the same potential for value down the road - not crazy value like an 1M but enough value to keep the good examples well cared for and appreciated instead of tossed aside.
Went and test drove a 135i yesterday. I could only find one 2011+ that was local: https://www.carmax.com/car/16128195 I definitely need to go drive a few more, but here were my thoughts on the test drive: - This one was a little beat and over-priced. Interior was filthy, front bumper had some paint which had chipped off, wheels had curb marks. After the test drive there was some smoke/steam coming out from under the hood. Salesman said it was whatever they used to clean/dress the engine when they cleaned it. I'm pretty sure there's an oil leak as it also smelled a bit off when I fired it up and idled it prior to test drive. - I'm now 99.99% certain a 6spd is a must. The DCT worked OK but still just felt like driving an automatic to me. I don't doubt at all that it can shift faster than me or that if my primary purpose was track and laptimes that it may be the better choice. But for around town I think it saps the soul from the car. - Backseat room was nonexistant. I had heard 135's were not very bad so I was surprised by this. Hopefully it's just the verts and that the coupe has a bit more room back there. - I was a little disappointed in the interior. It felt cheaper, no, maybe not cheaper but just older than I'd expected. I'm not looking for luxury but am used to budget Japanese cars and was expecting more from this Bimmer. - Not as fast as I was expecting. Was powerful but did not feel "fast" in terms of acceleration. Maybe I just didn't push it hard enough to feel it's full potential. So, yeah, I definitely need to start test driving any ones that pop up locally because without more 1on1 experience I won't know the difference between what's normal and what's a problem. Quote:
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