BMW 128i vs Hyundai Gensis Coupe

[Heinzftw]

Wow I forgot to tell everyone!! The designers of the car said if I remember right that the engine can handle in the upwards of 30psi with a turbo. That would be some major power... But its a Hyundai... DAM IT

[mrgoochio]

Personally I don't believe theyre in the same class. Hyundai is certainly trying to improve their fleet and change their image.. but they still have a long way to go. I'm glad they are actually doing something to work in their market segment, can't say that much for Honda. Still, I would prefer the 128i over any of the Hyundai line.

[Nixon]

It will be interesting to see what the new Hyundai's have to offer.
Under-estimating what Hyundai can do has proven to be a mistake in recent years. Hyundai quitely smiles when their competition under-estimates them, and quietly chips away at their competitor's market share. Quality keeps improving quicker than any other car maker I can think of. Thinking it will be crap just because the excel was crap is like driving a race by only looking in the rear view mirror, and only watching where you've been.

Will the Genesis be a BETTER car than a BMW? Nope.

Will it be a better value, while being CLOSE ENOUGH to a BMW to chip away some market share? You bet!

That's how Hyundai works. They just chip a bit of market away from BMW, a bit from Infinity, etc... They aren't trying to beat everyone, just cut out some space in the market for themselves.

[sndprssr]

I wouldn't say Hyundai is the best car company and nothing close to BMW but my first new car was a 2001 Tiburon and I drove that thing to 150k miles with no problems what-so-ever. I drove it like hell, beat the piss out of it, took it numerous times to the track, etc., etc. For $3K less than a Civic it had 40 more hp and 50 lb/ft stock so it works for a teenager car. I have personally seen several RD and RD2s (both 4 cyl.) with close to 400 hp without any heavy engine building. You're right, no matter what you are still driving a Hyundai but for the 40k price of the 135 you could have a 600+ hp car (albeit a FWD one). If you have not owned one, or at least have some personal experience with one, you can't really say they're crap...

P.S. The interiors ARE pretty crappy.

[SLrocket]

it'll probably ride like a lexus ES. like you're driving a freakin pillow :biggrin:

[roldan]

I think that while Hyundai definitely lacks "street cred" or regular credibility, their stuff has been getting a lot better. All my friends who have Hyundais say they're boring, but pretty bulletproof in terms of reliability.

At the same time, there are clearly a lot of pretty smart people working for Hyundai and I believe they could pull off a well-performing car, even if it lacks a roundel. Wikipedia says 306hp on regular, 312hp on premium (you get a choice!?) with an optional LSD. I'm sure it'll lack the feel of a BMW but I think they're really shooting more for the G37.

The other interesting thing is that since they're new to the market, I think they could do a great job of being friendly towards enthusiasts -- there's probably nothing better for a new entry to get people to talk up their car than to be supportive of the car nuts with mods and stuff, since those are the people whose friends ask them (us? ) for advice when they're buying a car.

[whya1?]

Until the Hyundai actually comes out it is worthless to compare the two cars. Will BMW have a better interior? Probably. But the Genesis is going to be larger, quite quick and will offer a way to undercut BMW by thousands of dollars by offering 90% of the experience for 70% of the price. They have gotten quite a bit better recently and will definitely steal some buyers from 1 and 3 series, especially people who aren't crazy about 1 series styling or size.

The Hyundai also has a much better warranty and has a reputation for reliability in line with BMW. People are afraid of used or older BMWs because of the great expense in fixing them. Hyundais don't suffer that problem.

[spudw]

Timex versus Rolex. Both tell time, but one will never be the other.

The Hyundai looks like a nice car. It'll be a little rough in some areas, smooth in others. Even if Hyundai is almost up with Honda and Toyota, I don't really see any Honda's or Toyotas that really compare with the 128i.

The 128i is all BMW. Premium German build and performance in line with a long heritage of sport coupes. Distinctive look and feel. You know you're getting something good...

[mtla4]

People are bashing it because its a Hyundai. I really hate brand snobs. Wait until we see the car then we can know how it drives, sounds, and realiable or not. Im sure that the interior will be nicer in the Hyundai than the 1 series.(Bmw interiors are Fugly IMO functional yet ugly)

[ManMachine]

This Hyundai will get looks from buyers intending to get American or Japanese cars. For example, some one thinking about an Accord V6 coupe.

It will take a while for Hyundai to take away BMW shoppers.

[Nixon]

Originally Posted by roldan

Wikipedia says 306hp on regular, 312hp on premium (you get a choice!?)

I hope this becomes the industry standard. There is no reason why modern computer controlled engines can't run on both regular and premium gas with just a bit of ECU magic. Back when everything was controlled by mechanical units (carbs) requiring premium made sense. Now, it is just a silly farce.

[IDBMW]

Originally Posted by mtla4

People are bashing it because its a Hyundai. I really hate brand snobs. Wait until we see the car then we can know how it drives, sounds, and realiable or not. Im sure that the interior will be nicer in the Hyundai than the 1 series.(Bmw interiors are Fugly IMO functional yet ugly)

I buy BMW’s for the quality and performance. BMW always has there cars in the top ratings across the line. You take other car Manufactures and they make one or two top cars and the rest do not even measure up. That is why I can order a BMW without driving it and be sure it will be a great car. I buy Toyota trucks exclusively as well.
If that is a brand snob I am a brand snob but to me I am after a quality product and the brand names usually are able to fit the bill. Spudz said it well about the watches, a Timex or Rolex, they both tell time. Difference is quality.

[whya1?]

Quality is relative. Some people have convinced themselves that the "quality" of a BMW is worth the premium. Others are more skeptical. Any car manufacturer is capable of turning in a subpar car that had some things overlooked or some cost cutting in order to maximize profit and met a price point.

Some people need the brand to feel that they have spent their money well and some do not. Without people grossly over paying for incremental differences between manufacturers then everyone would be driving a toyota.

BMW makes good cars but are they twice as good as some other brands? Hardly. I think the Genesis coupe is going to be a very good offering and will definitely steal sales from BMW, Honda, Mazda, Ford, etc. Someone with 50k won't necessarily look at the Hyundai but they also won't be looking at a 1 series.

Someone with 35k? There will definitely be cross shopping between Genesis and 128/135. And if the Hyundai can offer a similar feeling interior, similar feeling acceleration AND be thousands less with a better warranty? How much is the BMW badge really worth? Who cares if magazine racing says the 135 is 0-60 in 4.8 vs hyundai at 5.3 (just for arguments sake). That will feel plenty fast in a test drive. So what if the BMW pulls .05 better in a skidpad. All of those numbers are close enough to mean nothing on the butt dyno compared to a stack of hundred dollar bills in your pocket, especially if you are reaching to get the car anyway (as most entry level luxury coupe drivers are)

Until the Genesis debuts I am going to reserve judgement on BMW's superiority.

[mtla4]

Originally Posted by IDBMW

I buy BMW’s for the quality and performance. BMW always has there cars in the top ratings across the line. You take other car Manufactures and they make one or two top cars and the rest do not even measure up. That is why I can order a BMW without driving it and be sure it will be a great car. I buy Toyota trucks exclusively as well.
If that is a brand snob I am a brand snob but to me I am after a quality product and the brand names usually are able to fit the bill. Spudz said it well about the watches, a Timex or Rolex, they both tell time. Difference is quality.

I hope my post will not offend you. Because of this attitude Bmw can come up with any ugly or bad useless car and people will still buy it because its a a Bmw. Look at Toyota they made their name with car built like tanks (my dad gave me his 283 000K corolla) as a first car. Look what is happening now recalls recalls, ugly cars,boring cars(its like driving an appliance). They made their names and now people buy them blindly. Car makers can do whatever they want people will still buy them without getting the most bang for the buck by looking elsewhere(I didnt say buy just looking). In Canada Honda, Toyota and some other manufacturers no discounts, no special interest rates, no promotions...Nothing...Lets say would you pay 300$ a month for a yaris or 300$(sonata,g6,malibu). You guys make youre pick.

[xtrema]

Nobody knows as it hasn't hit the road yet.

Numbers sound good but it's not always about the numbers. And the TT BMW engine is still the best engine in class right now.

Considering it probably won't cross $30K (or not by much), I'm sure it's going to be an inferior car compare to 1/3 series.

But this class is about to light up with rumored return of RWD Celica, a similar Subaru and Silvia.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by xtrema

Nobody knows as it hasn't hit the road yet.

Numbers sound good but it's not always about the numbers. And the TT BMW engine is still the best engine in class right now.

Considering it probably won't cross $30K (or not by much), I'm sure it's going to be an inferior car compare to 1/3 series.

But this class is about to light up with rumored return of RWD Celica, a similar Subaru and Silvia.

Things should get interesting for sure

Crowley

[kfiducia]

i like my sister's new tiburon, much better than the first one she had, which was the second gen. its a lot for the money, i don't think people will cross-shop the two cars, but the hyundais are by no means junk, thats kia. :-P

the genesis coupe will more likely be the what the Civic SI used to be

pics link

[mtla4]

Originally Posted by kfiducia

i like my sister's new tiburon, much better than the first one she had, which was the second gen. its a lot for the money, i don't think people will cross-shop the two cars, but the hyundais are by no means junk, thats kia. :-P

will more likely be the new Civic SI

FYI= Hyundai=Kia

[kfiducia]

jokes get ruined when you explain them :-/

[RobLS]

Unless they stepped up the quality of their cars, I wouldn't look at them. I just came from driving a hyundai and the quality of the materials, inside and out, just suck. Luckily it wasn't me owning it, just driving it for the time being.

[xtrema]

Originally Posted by RobLS

Unless they stepped up the quality of their cars, I wouldn't look at them. I just came from driving a hyundai and the quality of the materials, inside and out, just suck. Luckily it wasn't me owning it, just driving it for the time being.

They cater to that market. Have you sat in a 08 Accord or Camry. Same shit.

BTW, Hyundai in general is a bit better than Kia but they are about equal.

The Genesis coupe is not a Tibby replacement and Tibby may be back later on. Genesis coupe will cover demographic of Civic Si up to G37

[thesmokingone]

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