04-01-2012, 03:46 PM | #45 |
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Suffice it to say that when you have 2 closely matched cars, and a non timed event meaning no countdown, then either car can win given who takes the jump.
That's why if you're going to test for acceleration, then a drag track with timers is a much better way to get accurate results. From a roll, someone has to count down, that person has the advantage, because he knows when he's going to say "GO!" That could be half a second to even a whole second of being WFO before the other cars driver responds. So, even if the other car is 1 second faster according to timed test, from a roll, the "slower" car can still beat it. That's between 2 closely matched cars. Now, if you've got one car that is tested at 2-3 seconds faster, then even a slow response by that car can make the "slower" car competitive, meaning it could be right on it's heels where on tested paper it should be more. It shouldn't be that surprising that a car that may test slower according to tested data can still beat a car that tests higher, when in a roll drag. How do the 1M and M3 compare on the 1/4 mile timed track? This is assuming multiple averaged runs with equally competent driver or drivers. This will show the actual real potential of each car. |
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04-01-2012, 05:08 PM | #46 | |
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One more time, just another way of seeing the particular strengths and weaknesses of each car. I prefer the 1M but this doesn't make me think that the M3 is not a as good sports car. In fact, they are so different in making power and handling wise, it is surprising that these races against each other and comparos keep going on. Not that they are not fun, mostly they are but still few seem to understand that they really are very different cars despite some shared components. |
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04-01-2012, 05:27 PM | #47 |
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Well if your going to look at quarter mile runs you really need to look at manual vs manual.
DCT is a video game and launch control gives it a huge advantage. Eliminating the car driving for you is what M/// did with the 1M. If you look at results also look at the same exact magazine or time trials from the same company. |
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04-01-2012, 07:20 PM | #48 |
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04-03-2012, 11:52 AM | #49 |
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One other thing worth mentioning here when doing these comparisons are the actual vs rated power numbers. The 1Ms we've seen have been dynoing between 315 and 330+ rwhp on dynojets. M3s are generally making between 340 and 360 whp on the same dynos stock. So rather than the 80 hp difference BMW claims, the it looks like the actual difference is more like 25 to 30 hp stock. Given the weight difference between the cars this virtually cancels out the paper power to weight advantage the M3 has up top. You can certainly see how a strong 1M would equal or even run away from a weaker M3s even at higher speeds, as some of the videos indicate.
1Ms: Lower run is stock below: Lower run is stock below: M3s: Lower run is stock below:
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04-03-2012, 12:34 PM | #50 |
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I will follow up with real world comparisons in a couple of weeks between my M3 and my chum's 1M, both of which have lived similar lives since delivery and I'll be getting a performance box for accurate measurement as well. He is also an active poster here and will verify the results.
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04-03-2012, 01:13 PM | #52 | |
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I plan to run our cars independently within the same period of time and location for safety. Running independently with Performance Box will also remove the difference of reaction times and shifting mistakes that occur when side by side drag races are videoed. Obviously, the M3 DCT would be in a lower gear for certain speeds compared to the 1M, but that is only fair given that we are testing the maximum potential for both cars - that is not to say that the 1M will be in a higher gear than necessary ie both cars will be in their lowest possible gear for a particular speed. |
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04-17-2012, 04:52 PM | #55 |
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Great info! It just confirms my thoughts. The 1M is crazy fast! I did own a understated Alpina B3 3.3 and it did outperform all E46 M3 all the time. The 1M feels so much faster. Can confirm that M and MDM mode is the thing. Its just crazy! I pull away from anything so far. The 1M is understated. People to 0-100 km/h in 4.4s. The car pulls away from M3, M5, M6 and with a cheap tuning chip 997 GT and tuned AMG black edition! Crazy! I just say one thing "Mmmmmmm!" ;-) Love it! The best M car so far and happy owner of it! So fun and so good car! Oh and cheap!
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04-17-2012, 05:05 PM | #56 |
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You got it!
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04-17-2012, 05:10 PM | #57 |
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For the M3 e9x owners:
http://www.esstuning.com/products/E9...er-System.html You should be able to kill almost anything with that one... ;-) |
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