BMW Puts A Freeze On All N54 High Pressure Fuel Pumps

Jockey · 07-19-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve135i

By then they should be able to fix the turbo lag that is a FACT.

Turbo lag?! What turbo lag?? :iono:

brando1985 · 07-19-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyGams

recalls can be issued for RISK of failure. Not every BMW N54 engine is bad. There is a high enough percentage however, that have faulty fuel pumps

N54 engines are not bad; the fuel pumps used in conjunction with N54 motors are bad. Misinformation is how rumors start. Sloppy speech breeds sloppy thinking.

MadMan77 · 07-19-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by #1

Yes indeed, however the first year of the 135i across the board.

Clearly there are still some bugs that need to be worked out.

This is a problem with the N54 motor's supporting equipment since it has been an ongoing problem with 335's as well. It has nothing to do with the 135's first year being sold in the states.

Yearofthe1 · 07-19-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jockey

Turbo lag?! What turbo lag?? :iono:

Yeah, seriously, what turbo lag? Have you driven one yet? The car has as much lag as any NA engine car I've driven, which is essentially none.

I'm confused at what problem you're refering to?

PA135i · 07-20-2008, 12:17 AM

+1 ----- I have had my SGM 135i for 5 days now and have opened her up a few times.. I feel no lag. Just thrust.

SixBanger · 07-20-2008, 05:09 PM

lag.... from these turbos....pppffggghhhh please.

TazioNYC · 07-20-2008, 05:46 PM

He's talking about the new ECU software that BMW has uploaded into some cars -- there are many threads about it and people complaining of increased turbo lag after. Let's stick to the fuel pump issue, whcih seems more pressing.

TazioNYC · 07-20-2008, 05:48 PM

Should I be contacting my dealer about taking my car in to be checked?

EDIT: Oh, I reread the OP -- it's just for those who have had their fuel pump replaced who need worry at this point?

bimmertech · 07-20-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TazioNYC

Should I be contacting my dealer about taking my car in to be checked?

EDIT: Oh, I reread the OP -- it's just for those who have had their fuel pump replaced who need worry at this point?

Not necessarily, i'm sure many original fuel pumps fall within the 'bad' fuel pumps. however there is nothing we as techs can do if your car is not having bad fuel pump symptoms, i.e., long cranking/loss of power.

TazioNYC · 07-20-2008, 09:49 PM

Thanks for the quick reply, been reading up on E90 Post. So there's no order *yet* to replace all HPFPs with improved units? How long would I have to get my car to a dealer once symptoms show themselves? My dealer of choice is 45 miles away.

Steve135i · 07-20-2008, 10:32 PM

Bummer.

My135 · 07-21-2008, 10:25 AM

My 135 had been built at the beginning of July. Do you think that it would have the good or bad fuel pump?

The fuel pump issue really worry me. I thought that they have fixed it during the first 2 years of 335 production. I am surprise to see the same issue with our 1s.

bimmertech · 07-21-2008, 05:54 PM

I brought home the email, here are some excerpts. hopefully they will answer some of your questions.

"Due to the manufacturing error at the HDP housing suppliers (incorrect tolerances and contamination causing an internal pump leak) the high pressure pump may fail prematurely. The most common failure mode would be the complaint of 'long cranking time of 4 to 5 seconds', or power reduction mode...
Affected were both part numbers 13 51 7 585 655 and 13 53 7 537 320 used for service replacement and in the new vehicle production. The 'new vehicle' production range affected by this quality issue is to be determined'.

This is the procedure we are to use to check if the replacement pump is viable.

1. Locate the supplier's identification and production numbers. If the number from the top line consists of any four digits, a forward slash symbol (/), and the numbers 07 or 08 at the end, then the HDP pump is defective and should not be used.

2. If the number from the top line consists of any five digits, then proceed with further inspection. Locate the production date and if the numbers are:
08051
08053
08071
08072
08073
08078
08080
Then the HDP pump is defective.

I think once they determine the new vehicle production range affected, BMW will release some sort of service action/recall. Until then I think replacement will be complaint based. It does not seem like new good pumps will be in limited supply. The purge of all pumps was concluded today at parts distribution centers and parts ordering by dealers is suppose to resume normally. Hope that helps.

jeremyc74 · 07-21-2008, 06:05 PM

My car went into limp mode again on the way to Loiusville to catch a flight a few days ago. I nailed it getting on an on ramp and it just didn't go anywere. Once the light came on it started running really rough. I pulled over and shut it down for a couple of seconds and then restarted. It ran rough for a couple more minutes and then smoothed out and felt normal the rest of the trip. This is the second time it's gone into limp, so I'm taking it in ASAP.

Sucks, because now I'm afraid to put my downpipes on the car until I'm sure it's resolved.

Guran · 07-28-2008, 06:58 PM

Has there been any update on this issue? I just got off the phone with a mate whose 135i Coupe just died. He was having a slow crank-over during cold starts and then the other day, he put his foot down, and the engine died completely. It started up again soon afterwards, but had a fault light which was diagnosed by the dealer as a faulty fuel pump. Sounds familiar.

Message for all N54 (twin-turbo six) owners ... if your car takes several seconds to crank over in the mornings, it appears that your fuel pump could be faulty. Get it checked rather than wait for it to fail completely.

coco_m3 · 07-28-2008, 07:04 PM

mine takes 5-7 sec. to start every morning and everyafternoon when its been sitting for a while.
i took it to the dealer and they say there isnt an update yet?
plus my car feels slow, and laggy.

peppebmw · 08-03-2008, 06:43 PM

Holy crap I thought I was going insane! I am bringing my car in tomorrow for an oil change 5K and I am going to make an issue out of this. For the past two months my car has been having hard starting and long cranking issues. Hot, cold it doesn't matter. I also noticed that power on the car seems way down and not even close to as when I first got it. I thought it was all in my head but it makes sense now. In fact I even thought the golf tee mod had something to do with it. Well now I know that is not the case. I feel much better knowing that the issue is the fuel pump and that there should be a resolution to the problem.

Chicago1 · 08-12-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmertech

Affected were both part numbers 13 51 7 585 655 and 13 53 7 537 320 used for service replacement and in the new vehicle production.

WHEW! I just had mine replaced today. Here are the notes on my warranty papers:

CUSTOMER STATES VEHICLE IS CRANKING EXCESSIVELY LONG, PLEASE ADVISE CAUSE: High pressure pump HDP Permanent malfunction.

REPLACING PUMP: 1 13-51-7-592-881 (N/C)

VERIFIED CONCERN. FOUND FAULT 2FBF. PERFORMED TEST PLAN PER SIB #125506 AND TESTED INJECTORS. TESTED RESULTS, INDICATED HIGH PRESSURE PUMP IS DEFECTIVE. PRESSURE BLEEDS OFF PRODUCING LONG CRANK UNTIL CORRECT PRESSURE IS ACHIEVED. REPLACED HIGH PRESSURE PUMP. OK AT THIS TIME.

I guess when I fire her up tomorrow morning, I'll know if this has resolved the issue.. Props to Knauz BMW... their service so far has been phenominal.

coco_m3 · 08-12-2008, 08:56 PM

I got mine replaced today too.
Hope i got the new one, i have the same part number on my invoice as you Chicago1.
I hope it starts right up tomorrow morning.
Does your car feel any different as in more power?

Jeff

Chicago1 · 08-12-2008, 10:12 PM

Well, it's hard to say for sure.. I was driving a 335xi loaner car for a few days, so it feels like a rocket right now anyway. Just as a side-note, I have to say the 135i feels WAY sportier/faster than that loaner!

MikeCCrutchfield · 08-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Hopefully I am not affected (My car was produced the last week of July). Now if I could only pick the damn thing up

(waiting for it to clear customs)

Bullitt · 08-17-2008, 02:11 PM

Mine was produced in May, and it had a defective one. I sent my car in, and it was replaced with a new one. Unfortunately, this "new one" is part #13 51 7 585 655, which we now know from bimmertech that this is a bad one also.

Any suggestions? Can I just go back in and demand the right one?

07-20-2008, 12:17 AM	#27
PA135i Brigadier General 968 Rep 3,323 Posts Drives: 08 135i 08 CR-V Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania iTrader: (0)	+1 ----- I have had my SGM 135i for 5 days now and have opened her up a few times.. I feel no lag. Just thrust.
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07-20-2008, 05:09 PM	#28
SixBanger Captain 187 Rep 645 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Apr 2005 iTrader: (0)	lag.... from these turbos....pppffggghhhh please.
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07-20-2008, 05:46 PM	#29
TazioNYC Lieutenant 37 Rep 466 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New York, NY iTrader: (0)	He's talking about the new ECU software that BMW has uploaded into some cars -- there are many threads about it and people complaining of increased turbo lag after. Let's stick to the fuel pump issue, whcih seems more pressing.
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07-20-2008, 05:48 PM	#30
TazioNYC Lieutenant 37 Rep 466 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New York, NY iTrader: (0)	Should I be contacting my dealer about taking my car in to be checked? EDIT: Oh, I reread the OP -- it's just for those who have had their fuel pump replaced who need worry at this point?
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07-20-2008, 09:49 PM	#32
TazioNYC Lieutenant 37 Rep 466 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New York, NY iTrader: (0)	Thanks for the quick reply, been reading up on E90 Post. So there's no order yet to replace all HPFPs with improved units? How long would I have to get my car to a dealer once symptoms show themselves? My dealer of choice is 45 miles away.
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07-20-2008, 10:32 PM	#33
Steve135i First Lieutenant 5 Rep 304 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jun 2008 iTrader: (0)	Bummer.
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07-21-2008, 10:25 AM	#34
My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	My 135 had been built at the beginning of July. Do you think that it would have the good or bad fuel pump? The fuel pump issue really worry me. I thought that they have fixed it during the first 2 years of 335 production. I am surprise to see the same issue with our 1s.
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07-21-2008, 05:54 PM	#35
bimmertech Private First Class 4 Rep 131 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	I brought home the email, here are some excerpts. hopefully they will answer some of your questions. "Due to the manufacturing error at the HDP housing suppliers (incorrect tolerances and contamination causing an internal pump leak) the high pressure pump may fail prematurely. The most common failure mode would be the complaint of 'long cranking time of 4 to 5 seconds', or power reduction mode... Affected were both part numbers 13 51 7 585 655 and 13 53 7 537 320 used for service replacement and in the new vehicle production. The 'new vehicle' production range affected by this quality issue is to be determined'. This is the procedure we are to use to check if the replacement pump is viable. 1. Locate the supplier's identification and production numbers. If the number from the top line consists of any four digits, a forward slash symbol (/), and the numbers 07 or 08 at the end, then the HDP pump is defective and should not be used. 2. If the number from the top line consists of any five digits, then proceed with further inspection. Locate the production date and if the numbers are: 08051 08053 08071 08072 08073 08078 08080 Then the HDP pump is defective. I think once they determine the new vehicle production range affected, BMW will release some sort of service action/recall. Until then I think replacement will be complaint based. It does not seem like new good pumps will be in limited supply. The purge of all pumps was concluded today at parts distribution centers and parts ordering by dealers is suppose to resume normally. Hope that helps.
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07-21-2008, 06:05 PM	#36
jeremyc74 Banned 76 Rep 5,970 Posts Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Evansville, IN iTrader: (0)	My car went into limp mode again on the way to Loiusville to catch a flight a few days ago. I nailed it getting on an on ramp and it just didn't go anywere. Once the light came on it started running really rough. I pulled over and shut it down for a couple of seconds and then restarted. It ran rough for a couple more minutes and then smoothed out and felt normal the rest of the trip. This is the second time it's gone into limp, so I'm taking it in ASAP. Sucks, because now I'm afraid to put my downpipes on the car until I'm sure it's resolved.
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07-28-2008, 06:58 PM	#37
Guran Captain 24 Rep 895 Posts Drives: 08 135i Coupe Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong, Australia iTrader: (0)	Has there been any update on this issue? I just got off the phone with a mate whose 135i Coupe just died. He was having a slow crank-over during cold starts and then the other day, he put his foot down, and the engine died completely. It started up again soon afterwards, but had a fault light which was diagnosed by the dealer as a faulty fuel pump. Sounds familiar. Message for all N54 (twin-turbo six) owners ... if your car takes several seconds to crank over in the mornings, it appears that your fuel pump could be faulty. Get it checked rather than wait for it to fail completely. __________________ 08 BMW 135i Sport Coupe \| Manual \| Sparkling Graphite \| Coral Red Boston Leather \| 10 Speaker Hi Fi
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coco_m3 Brigadier General 167 Rep 4,311 Posts Drives: Supercharged E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SL,UT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 [0.00] 2010 BMW E90 335i [0.00]	mine takes 5-7 sec. to start every morning and everyafternoon when its been sitting for a while. i took it to the dealer and they say there isnt an update yet? plus my car feels slow, and laggy. __________________
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08-03-2008, 06:43 PM	#39
peppebmw Lieutenant 21 Rep 412 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: middle of CT iTrader: (1)	Holy crap I thought I was going insane! I am bringing my car in tomorrow for an oil change 5K and I am going to make an issue out of this. For the past two months my car has been having hard starting and long cranking issues. Hot, cold it doesn't matter. I also noticed that power on the car seems way down and not even close to as when I first got it. I thought it was all in my head but it makes sense now. In fact I even thought the golf tee mod had something to do with it. Well now I know that is not the case. I feel much better knowing that the issue is the fuel pump and that there should be a resolution to the problem. __________________ 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth 2021 Jeep Wrangler JLU Sport S 2022 RE Continental GT 650
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08-12-2008, 08:56 PM	#41
coco_m3 Brigadier General 167 Rep 4,311 Posts Drives: Supercharged E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SL,UT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 [0.00] 2010 BMW E90 335i [0.00]	I got mine replaced today too. Hope i got the new one, i have the same part number on my invoice as you Chicago1. I hope it starts right up tomorrow morning. Does your car feel any different as in more power? Jeff __________________
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08-12-2008, 10:12 PM	#42
Chicago1 Private First Class 5 Rep 137 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	Well, it's hard to say for sure.. I was driving a 335xi loaner car for a few days, so it feels like a rocket right now anyway. Just as a side-note, I have to say the 135i feels WAY sportier/faster than that loaner! __________________ SGM 135i - M-Sport - Cld Wthr - Blk 'Ette - iPod - HiFi - Grey Poplar - Riss Racing Intake - cp-e Exhaust - DINAN Stage II
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08-12-2008, 10:13 PM	#43
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08-17-2008, 02:11 PM	#44
Bullitt Major 91 Rep 1,168 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (18) Garage List 2008 135i [0.00]	Mine was produced in May, and it had a defective one. I sent my car in, and it was replaced with a new one. Unfortunately, this "new one" is part #13 51 7 585 655, which we now know from bimmertech that this is a bad one also. Any suggestions? Can I just go back in and demand the right one?
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