Will the 1 series M earn a title as "The Poors Mans //M"

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by techthentic

The idiot (jealous) douche's answer.

When will people learn that regardless of how much power they squeeze out with a chip, you CAN'T duplicate the handling. And considering the world doesn't consist of one straight road, handling is pretty important.

And just why would you think I am jealous? My 135 is due for replacement and it's a toss up between the 1M and an M3 for me.

This isn't a power/handling discussion at all. Its all about value. If the 1M turns out to be high 50s in Canada then it certainly isn't worth a ~15k premium over the 135.

Have you driven the 135 on a track? With some simple suspension upgrades and a good set of tires it's pretty damn good.

[Gee-klaw]

Poor mans M?

Yes and all the better for it!

(Not that anyone who is looking at spending £40,000+ or $50,000 is exactly poor!)

[Jim K]

I definitely think that some will think of it as the poor mans "M", but for others it is what we have been looking for from BMW for a long time.

I may be in the minority, but I would (and most likely will) buy this car over the e92 M3 Coupe, even though I can afford both. I am also a Porsche guy and would by a Cayman S over a 997.

Both the 1M and the Cayman S IMHO are closer in spirit to the original e30 M3 and "classic" 911's. The e90's are closer to old 5-series in size and weight, just like the 997 is closer to the 928 than the classic 911's.

I've owned e30's, e36 M3, 2 Boxsters, 3 968's, a 993, and the 1M is what I am looking for. I believe others feel the same way.

I am concerned about the HPFP issues, and VERY concerned about the DI carbon issues, but I am still VERY excited about this car.

My .02 cents.

Jim

[XJS]

I'm not seeing a lot of love for the 1M, but I feel I have to defend it a bit, even though I will probably never own one (i have the kidmobile #2, the #1 is the M5 touring). And for a track car I would get a porsche when the time comes. But anyway...

What you get for your $ the 1M is a pretty nice package.

One might argue that you can slap a tune on a 135i/335i and BOOM you have a better car.

No, just no. After a few laps on the track you get heat soaked, plus the 1M can be tuned as well. And for those that say you can change your suspension, differential and whatnot and create your baby 1M, there is a truth to that, but you won't get the wider body and a perfectly tuned machine right out the bat, plus money wise you won't be far off. And the cooling will still be an issue.

I for one love the fact that the N54 is now classed as an M-engine.

The M3 is a fat pig, and I would not be surprised if the 1M runs rings around it on a simple easy tune. With the added cooling why not 400hp and a significantly lower weight than the M3, and the same diff. Now that's a track car.

[Moo]

Originally Posted by penny

Before the 1M came around, did you consider the M3 "The Poor Man's M" since it was the cheapest M car?

Best point in thread so far

[Peteypab2133]

I dont think the 1M should be called that at all. The M3 is overweight, over priced, and kind of normal for $60,000+

I would take a twin turbo 6 over an NA 8 any day of the week. Its sad to say but with a tune, exhaust, and a few other goodies and the 1m will dominate EVERY M3 it comes across as long as its still NA. (not pulling the mod card either here its just what will happen)

bang for buck? I give it to the 1M. Bang a hot chick? I give it to the M3

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Peteypab2133

I dont think the 1M should be called that at all. The M3 is overweight, over priced, and kind of normal for $60,000+

I would take a twin turbo 6 over an NA 8 any day of the week. Its sad to say but with a tune, exhaust, and a few other goodies and the 1m will dominate EVERY M3 it comes across as long as its still NA. (not pulling the mod card either here its just what will happen)

bang for buck? I give it to the 1M. Bang a hot chick? I give it to the M3

I get your point. Why comparing modded against non-modded? For value? What one considers value can be expensive for another. One can say preowned EVO or SRT4 can walk 1M all day.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by Peteypab2133

I dont think the 1M should be called that at all. The M3 is overweight, over priced, and kind of normal for $60,000+

I would take a twin turbo 6 over an NA 8 any day of the week. Its sad to say but with a tune, exhaust, and a few other goodies and the 1m will dominate EVERY M3 it comes across as long as its still NA. (not pulling the mod card either here its just what will happen)

bang for buck? I give it to the 1M. Bang a hot chick? I give it to the M3

It seems like the 1M wont be any more 'tunable' then the standard 135 meaning the end resulting power wouldn't be any more then a tuned 135.

Also given the limited production numbers I wouldn't hold your breath for many tuning options. (the 1m is basically a factory tuned 135 including all the bits like wider stance, etc)

[ruff]

A number of Porsche enthusiasts bought the Cayman over a Carrera; nothing to due to their income and a lot to do with mid engine vs rear engine performance gains.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by ruff

A number of Porsche enthusiasts bought the Cayman over a Carrera; nothing to due to their income and a lot to do with mid engine vs rear engine performance gains.

The Cayman is what the 911 was...
The 1M is what the M3 was...

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

And just why would you think I am jealous? My 135 is due for replacement and it's a toss up between the 1M and an M3 for me.

This isn't a power/handling discussion at all. Its all about value. If the 1M turns out to be high 50s in Canada then it certainly isn't worth a ~15k premium over the 135.

Have you driven the 135 on a track? With some simple suspension upgrades and a good set of tires it's pretty damn good.

I've driven my buddy's 135i on coil-overs and real tires (not RFT), and it wasn't anything spectacular.

It's a great all-rounder offering a little added sportiness over the 335i, but bonified sports car it ain't.

You may think that the 135i is good enough, and that theres no need to spend 15 grand on a 1M. But thats YOUR own preference, and doesn't change the FACT that the 1M is better and that it would require more than 15 grand invested in your 135i to even come close to the 1M.

If you have the money for a 1M, how does it make sense that the 135i is better value?

So don't sit around calling people who buy the 1M dumb. They just know that dumping more than 15 grand and voiding their warranty on their 135i is truly being DUMB, and just buying a 1M for less than 15 grand more is SMART.

Someone who can accept that their shit isn't the best, and appreciate others who have nicer things, is a true man. Bashing a obviously better car and/or calling people who buy them dumb, is the mark of a petty, jealous fool.

If you're not going to buy the 1M because the 135i is all you can afford or because you don't need or want performance above the 135i, then just say, "hey, nice car, but not for me, I don't need that kind of performance increase"
If you ARE a performance junkie who just can't handle that there's a better car, don't say shit like "My car is better because I can tune it to kick your ass", just grow up.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by techthentic

I've driven my buddy's 135i on coil-overs and real tires (not RFT), and it wasn't anything spectacular.

It's a great all-rounder offering a little added sportiness over the 335i, but bonified sports car it ain't.

You may think that the 135i is good enough, and that theres no need to spend 15 grand on a 1M. But thats YOUR own preference, and doesn't change the FACT that the 1M is better and that it would require more than 15 grand invested in your 135i to even come close to the 1M.

If you have the money for a 1M, how does it make sense that the 135i is better value?

So don't sit around calling people who buy the 1M dumb. They just know that dumping more than 15 grand and voiding their warranty on their 135i is truly being DUMB, and just buying a 1M for less than 15 grand more is SMART.

Someone who can accept that their shit isn't the best, and appreciate others who have nicer things, is a true man. Bashing a obviously better car and/or calling people who buy them dumb, is the mark of a petty, jealous fool.

If you're not going to buy the 1M because the 135i is all you can afford or because you don't need or want performance above the 135i, then just say, "hey, nice car, but not for me, I don't need that kind of performance increase"
If you ARE a performance junkie who just can't handle that there's a better car, don't say stupid shit like "My car is better because I can tune it to kick your ass", just grow the fuck up.

If you read any earlier posts you would see that I am debating on weather to go with the 1M or an M3. When I sell my 135 I want something 'substantially' better/different and not sure that the 1M will deliver for the price.

Got nothing to do with affordability at all. It's about performance/value vs cost. The 135 is a perfect example of this. A 300hp german coupe for ~40k is a good deal in my book.

[Jim K]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

The Cayman is what the 911 was...
The 1M is what the M3 was...

Winner, winner chicken dinner

[Jim K]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

The Cayman is what the 911 was...
The 1M is what the M3 was...

Originally Posted by ruff

A number of Porsche enthusiasts bought the Cayman over a Carrera; nothing to due to their income and a lot to do with mid engine vs rear engine performance gains.

+987

[emthree4me]

Originally Posted by Moo

Best point in thread so far

Didn't we forget the M coupe as the cheapest M car ?

[Alpine*]

Originally Posted by emthree4me

Didn't we forget the M coupe as the cheapest M car ?

Small oversight...

[lacrosse]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Listen you little punk. If you read any earlier posts you would see that I am debating on weather to go with the 1M or an M3. When I sell my 135 I want something 'substantially' better/different and not sure that the 1M will deliver for the price.

Got nothing to do with affordability at all. It's about performance/value vs cost. The 135 is a perfect example of this. A 300hp german coupe for ~40k is a good deal in my book. This concept of value is obviously lost on someone like yourself with limited intelligence.

The one who has some growing up to do is certainly not me. Quit acting like a tough guy behind the keyboard, you are embarrassing yourself. We try to have a little decorum on this form. As a new member you should sit back, read, and think before you open your damn mouth.

Come to the dark side. Buy a 911!

[Robert]

Originally Posted by lacrosse

Come to the dark side. Buy a 911!

I am going to. Certainly a Cayman S or a GTR depending on how much I want to spend. Like I mentioned somewhere else on the forum, going from 135i to 1M is like buying latest edition of your favorite book. Some great book you always enjoyed with improvements but money for the buck you better off buying another master piece.

[lacrosse]

Originally Posted by Robert

I am going to. Certainly a Cayman S or a GTR depending on how much I want to spend. Like I mentioned somewhere else on the forum, going from 135i to 1M is like buying latest edition of your favorite book. Some great book you always enjoyed with improvements but money for the buck you better off buying another master piece.

Two great cars to chose from to be sure.

As for the original premiss of this post, I never really bought into that "poor man's" b/s regardless of the mark. That is just typical class envy!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by lacrosse

Come to the dark side. Buy a 911!

Yes...! Be like lacrosse and go buy a 911 and hang out in BMW forums !

[lacrosse]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Yes...! Be like lacrosse and go buy a 911 and hang out in BMW forums !

Still a tool. So sad.

Is this forum only for 1M fanboi's? My comment to MrRoboto was made in jest. Too bad you didn't pick up on it!

I belong a number of forums. I come to this one to watch all you BMW fanbois attack one another. It is very entertaining to read how you attack anyone that doesn't think the sun rises and sets solely on 1M.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Yes...! Be like lacrosse and go buy a 911 and hang out in BMW forums !

I'm part of that club... in fact it seems a few of us are.

You might consider it flattery- what the hell are we all doing here? I've never been interested enough to join a BMW forum before, even when I owned an M3. All these claims of the 911 and 1M not being cross-shopped, etc, but here we are...

I think it says something about the 1M... but maybe that's just me.