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      05-14-2010, 10:30 PM   #23
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I'm actually really fond of taking the animal pak I like using it with my supplements.
But yes the Vitamin B6 in it makes your Pee like neon Yellow like gatorade

Once you get used to it the pills are not so bad. I can take all 11 at once now
i've noticed that since i've been drinking a ridiculous amount of water throughout the day (including before i take it), my pee isn't all that yellow. definitely not neon anymore and doesn't smell as bad
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I quit taking Orange Triad. I'm pretty sure it's from the digestive enzymes, but while on it I took at least 3 shits a day. This was whether I took 6 pills or 3 pills.

I may try it out again after my trip to the river next month, but right now I'm staying off of them and using my original favorite; Source Naturals Men's.
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Not sure how good centrum is. Problem with synthetic vitamins is that they are not absorbed, utilized well within the body. They lack the enzymes and micro nutrients associated with real food. I believe most multivitamins are excreted without being absorbed.

By far the best thing would be to eat real fruits and vegetables. Or try a green food drink like green magma, or kyogreen. They have lots of vitamins/minerals within the product(wheat grass, barley), and are better utilized by the body.
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So I bought myself a bottle of Centrum chewable multipurpose vitamins. Anyone else taking these? I heard it's really good for you and boosts your immune system. I dont really believe in it but am willing to try.

also any thoughts on fish oil? What does it actually do?
You don't need synthetic vitamins! Buy organic food and all your vitamins will be there in your FOOD. Take a fish oil capsule if you need extra OMEGA 3's. (after a hard workout)

Don't take the easy way out and buy a burger and greasy food then take a multi-vitamin and think your good. If you eat good healthy food all your energy will come back and you will feel great no need for a "supplement".
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Not sure how good centrum is. Problem with synthetic vitamins is that they are not absorbed, utilized well within the body. They lack the enzymes and micro nutrients associated with real food. I believe most multivitamins are excreted without being absorbed.

By far the best thing would be to eat real fruits and vegetables. Or try a green food drink like green magma, or kyogreen. They have lots of vitamins/minerals within the product(wheat grass, barley), and are better utilized by the body.
+1 go to the store and buy organic apples, peaches, blueberries and eat those for snacks in-between meals. You can buy broccoli and other regular veggies at any store, even Walmart now has an organic food section but broccoli should be fine at any store. Study which foods your body digest's well and eat those. Fruits are the easiest digested food. Steak's take 30% of your energy to covert into more energy so take that into consideration when looking for wellness (and energy most importantly) and how your body feels during the day.

Also this might sound stupid (for those who haven't tried it) but Tai Chi can be good for your body as well, learning to move the Chi through your body for an extra boost of energy. The old adage the body does not live on bread alone is true, there are even sages who can live on no food except meditation and moving energy (light) through the body. Remember, there are no eating immortals.
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+1 go to the store and buy organic apples, peaches, blueberries and eat those for snacks in-between meals. You can buy broccoli and other regular veggies at any store, even Walmart now has an organic food section but broccoli should be fine at any store. Study which foods your body digest's well and eat those. Fruits are the easiest digested food. Steak's take 30% of your energy to covert into more energy so take that into consideration when looking for wellness (and energy most importantly) and how your body feels during the day.

Also this might sound stupid (for those who haven't tried it) but Tai Chi can be good for your body as well, learning to move the Chi through your body for an extra boost of energy. The old adage the body does not live on bread alone is true, there are even sages who can live on no food except meditation and moving energy (light) through the body. Remember, there are no eating immortals.
This is the stupidest god damn thing Ive ever read. Whenever they attempt to study these assholes they make it like 3 days without before they crack, then they go on lying to gullible dipshits without a shred of common sense.

And there's little to no data showing organic food is any safer or healthier than 'inorganic' food. Nothing but bullshit.

And comparing the thermic effect of steak to that of fruit is meaningless. One is primarily protein, the other carbs. Protein has the highest thermic effect of any macronutrient. This is generally considered a good thing and is one reason why a high protein intake one of the only constant between all non-retarded diets. Durrrr.
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And there's little to no data showing organic food is any safer or healthier than 'inorganic' food. Nothing but bullshit.

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Really? What evidence do you have on the contrary and I will listen. Instead of posting DURR it would be more helpful to post your well informed opinion of the matter. Assuming your post is based on fact's..

This man J.I. Rodale is the pioneer of organic farming. Organic is just a word, it should be called "natural farming" because before the industrial revolution there was no need or even any hints of synthetic-chemical agriculture. He bought land, hired scientist and that was in the 60's. You can read a report about it here from Columbia University.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/history/r...tor_thesis.pdf

Have you ever looked at some of the tactics used my synthetic-chemical agriculture such as feeding dead cows to living cows or dumping human sewage sludge onto farm lands.

Further, children are are more likely than adults to experience health complications from pesticides, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. It is because their organs are still developing they are not able to excrete harmful chemicals from their bodies.

Pesticides can be harmful, especially to Children! the study published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, researchers found that when children ate their regular diets, their urine had detectable levels of organophosphourous pesticides. After they switched to organic diet none were found. They switched back to a synthetic diet and they came back. Personally to me, children are important and we should try to find a way to eat more living foods and not dead ones and get away from fast foods and fast farming. If you disagree with that then you are either selfish or bury your head in the sand and don't want the truth.

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And comparing the thermic effect of steak to that of fruit is meaningless. One is primarily protein, the other carbs. Protein has the highest thermic effect of any macronutrient. This is generally considered a good thing and is one reason why a high protein intake one of the only constant between all non-retarded diets. Durrrr.
I was not saying stay away from protein just relating something that has to do with energy conversion which if you think about it is common sense: A big fat steak takes more energy to break down and convert to energy than a piece of fruit. My point was that if you are looking for more energy maybe cut down on the steak's during the workweek and eat more fruits in your diet. Protein can be egg whites or other sources that are digested easier.
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      05-25-2010, 10:22 PM   #31
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they make it like 3 days without before they crack, then they go on lying to gullible dipshits without a shred of common sense.
Yeah I have never seen one before (someone living without food) but the idea about living on light is a symbolical meaning and has a deeper meaning.
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Really? What evidence do you have on the contrary and I will listen. Instead of posting DURR it would be more helpful to post your well informed opinion of the matter. Assuming your post is based on fact's..

This man J.I. Rodale is the pioneer of organic farming. Organic is just a word, it should be called "natural farming" because before the industrial revolution there was no need or even any hints of synthetic-chemical agriculture. He bought land, hired scientist and that was in the 60's. You can read a report about it here from Columbia University.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/history/r...tor_thesis.pdf

Have you ever looked at some of the tactics used my synthetic-chemical agriculture such as feeding dead cows to living cows or dumping human sewage sludge onto farm lands.

Further, children are are more likely than adults to experience health complications from pesticides, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. It is because their organs are still developing they are not able to excrete harmful chemicals from their bodies.

Pesticides can be harmful, especially to Children! the study published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, researchers found that when children ate their regular diets, their urine had detectable levels of organophosphourous pesticides. After they switched to organic diet none were found. They switched back to a synthetic diet and they came back. Personally to me, children are important and we should try to find a way to eat more living foods and not dead ones and get away from fast foods and fast farming. If you disagree with that then you are either selfish or bury your head in the sand and don't want the truth.
There too much to touch on here. Long story short, I hopped on the organic bandwagon years ago, then actually did my own research and found the claims to be baseless. It's been discussed ad nauseum on other boards.

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I was not saying stay away from protein..
I did not imply or state that you were.

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...just relating something that has to do with energy conversion which if you think about it is common sense: A big fat steak takes more energy to break down and convert to energy than a piece of fruit. My point was that if you are looking for more energy maybe cut down on the steak's during the workweek and eat more fruits in your diet. Protein can be egg whites or other sources that are digested easier.
Generally, a steak is going to provide more energy (calories) than a piece of fruit, even when TEF is accounted for. So how is eating less energy going to give you more energy?

Egg white protein has a similar TEF to that of beef protein. Youre associating the dietary fat in steak/yolks with health problems; an idea that was discredited 20 years ago.

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Yeah I have never seen one before (someone living without food) but the idea about living on light is a symbolical meaning and has a deeper meaning.
Oh, like the bible.
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There too much to touch on here. Long story short, I hopped on the organic bandwagon years ago, then actually did my own research and found the claims to be baseless. It's been discussed ad nauseum on other boards.
I usually don't poke my nose into these debates. Frankly, I don't know what I'm talking about as these nutritionist debates are over my head. However...

http://www.examiner.com/x-45897-Chic...and-Pesticides

I read this recently and it seems relevant to the discussion. Whether or not it will give you sufficient pause to reevaluate your previous conclusion remains to be seen.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.
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There too much to touch on here. Long story short, I hopped on the organic bandwagon years ago, then actually did my own research and found the claims to be baseless. It's been discussed ad nauseum on other boards.



I did not imply or state that you were.



Generally, a steak is going to provide more energy (calories) than a piece of fruit, even when TEF is accounted for. So how is eating less energy going to give you more energy?

Egg white protein has a similar TEF to that of beef protein. Youre associating the dietary fat in steak/yolks with health problems; an idea that was discredited 20 years ago.



Oh, like the bible.
I can see you are a man of little faith.

Then let your common sense rule. If you cover foods with poison (pesticide) and feed it to your children and hope there are no ill effects then you would be called a fool; even by science. It is easy to believe in science because it is proven. It is amazing how selfish society can be these days when the dollar is more important that even children which is our most precious commodity!

Remember truth needs no defense because it speaks for itself. In this case it is scientific proof. The bigger picture here is to eat more living foods and to stop beating the earth to give us good food rather than working with nature. This can be seen in all faucets of life like transportation and other industries. Just study how food is produced and the chemicals used these days to produce them and I am sure you will agree. Chicken's crammed in cages, injecting with growth hormones, feeding living cow's dead cows, all to increase profit's, money comes first not health or well being.
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I usually don't poke my nose into these debates. Frankly, I don't know what I'm talking about as these nutritionist debates are over my head. However...

http://www.examiner.com/x-45897-Chic...and-Pesticides

I read this recently and it seems relevant to the discussion. Whether or not it will give you sufficient pause to reevaluate your previous conclusion remains to be seen.

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.
The debate is this: our society has a skewed vision of what "food" is. American's view it as something that we shove in our mouth and don't really think deeper than that. Food that is dead, food that is injected with chemicals and preservatives rather than eating freshly grown meals to sustain our living bodies. I am sure this is a deeper topic that what BMW owner's would like to think about but nevertheless there is a thread on it. lol

Look at the difference in France and America. French are very healthy, eat better foods, don't eat as much. When you eat junk food you eat more calories to make you feel full. When you eat healthy foods with lots of packed vitamins and nutrients you don't eat as much and your body has more energy. When you eat more living foods such as vegetables, fruits, algae, etc. your body can process those better than synthetically enhanced foods. French people eat a lot slower than America's as well which aids in digestion.

To me health is very important. Your body is what carries you around so I want to put premium fuel in my body not some 87 crap that will kill my high performance engine. Your body is a living organism and therefore you need to put living foods in your body. Commercialism has money on the brain and therefore does not care about your body just the bottom dollar so YOU have to do the research and decide whats best for you. God did not design your body to take in chemicals even if they are trace amounts. Trust me on this one! If you want proof look at all the large ugly bodies people produce when not taking care of their health and diet. Proof is in the pudding they say.

If you are aware, notice when you eat foods that are bad for you your body will actually throw up a little in your mouth which is your body rejecting that food. But most people don't listen to their bodies and are so "disconnected". But that is a story for another day.
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The topic of organic foods is not my forte, but Ive done research into it and have yet to see conclusive data showing that it's safer or more nutritious than 'inorganic foods.' Until I see some I have no reason to double my food bill.

If youre concerned about pesticide residue on your food, wash it.
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