[Thomas]

320i: 150 bhp/200Nm, 0-62mph=9,4 s, Vmax=218kmh

325i: 218bhp/250Nm, 0,62mph=7,2 s, Vmax=243kmh

330i: 258bhp/300Nm, 0-62mph=6,9s, Vmax=250kmh

320d: 163bhp/340Nm, 0-62mph=8,6s, Vmax=223kmh

330d: 231bhp/500Nm, 0-62mph=6,8s, Vmax=248kmh

(1mph = 1,6 km/h)

So the 330d is now in the 0-60 sprint also faster, he makes meat of the 330i in the 40-60 and 50-70 sprints!











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Btw which color is this? Arctic?

[E90Fleet]

No it either Silver Grey or Titanium Grey II

See my other thread on "new color"

[David328M-Sport]

unless they are differently specified in different parts of the world (however, i don't think so), the 325i sedan has a maximum of 250mn of torque while the 330i has 300.

[bimmy]

Originally Posted by Thomas

320i: 150 bhp/250Nm, 0-62mph=9,4 s, Vmax=218kmh

325i: 218bhp/300Nm, 0,62mph=7,2 s, Vmax=243kmh

330i: 258bhp/340Nm, 0-62mph=6,9s, Vmax=250kmh

320d: 163bhp/400Nm, 0-62mph=8,6s, Vmax=223kmh

330d: 231bhp/500Nm, 0-62mph=6,8s, Vmax=248kmh

(1mph = 1,6 km/h)

So the 330d is now in the 0-60 sprint also faster, he makes meat of the 330i in the 40-60 and 50-70 sprints!

I think that you have some incorrect data there: 330i has 300Nm not 340Nm. 320d has 340Nm not 400Nm and finally 325i has 250Nm not 300Nm. So i doubt that the rest of the data is correct also. 330i only 6.9s That's completely unbeliveable no matter it weights little more, right figure should be around 6.5. And the difference between 325i and the 330i is only 0.3 in 0-62 mph times. In sedan that is 0.7 and the diffrence should be the same.

[CorporalCarrot]

While I would also query some of his data there, the basic thrust of the post is going to be proved correct.

When it comes out, the 330d will be as close as makes no difference to the 330i in the 0-60, but will fairly destroy the 330i in any kind of mid-range acceleration tests you can put to it.

Already the measly 320d has phenomenally impressive mid-range torque and beats the 325i handsomely in the standard 4th gear 50-70 test by a full two seconds (although in the real world the 325i driver would drop to third for more torque at the wheels).

The 330d will rule in most areas, I have no doubt. People will still laugh at it though for being a diesel,

Now if they would only drop the engine from the 535d into it, then we'd be talkin.........


C

[bimmy]

Originally Posted by CorporalCarrot

While I would also query some of his data there, the basic thrust of the post is going to be proved correct.

When it comes out, the 330d will be as close as makes no difference to the 330i in the 0-60, but will fairly destroy the 330i in any kind of mid-range acceleration tests you can put to it.

Already the measly 320d has phenomenally impressive mid-range torque and beats the 325i handsomely in the standard 4th gear 50-70 test by a full two seconds (although in the real world the 325i driver would drop to third for more torque at the wheels).

The 330d will rule in most areas, I have no doubt. People will still laugh at it though for being a diesel,

Now if they would only drop the engine from the 535d into it, then we'd be talkin.........


C

Of course i agree about midrange acceleration of 330d and that's true but the rest of the data from first post are just inncorect.
Here are the correct data from germancarfans news:

– 320i Touring, four-cylinder petrol engine, 110 kW (150 bhp),
200 Nm (147 lb-ft)
– 325i Touring, six-cylinder petrol engine, 160 kW (218 bhp),
250 Nm (184 lb-ft)
– 330i Touring, six-cylinder petrol engine, 190 kW (258 bhp),
300 Nm (221 lb-ft)
– 320d Touring, four-cylinder diesel engine, 120 kW (163 bhp),
340 Nm (251 lb-ft)
– 330d Touring, six-cylinder diesel engine, 170 kW (231 bhp),
500 Nm (369 lb-ft)

"In terms of both performance and efficiency, the 330i Touring sets a supreme benchmark: Acceleration from 0–100 km/h comes in 6.4 seconds, acceleration from 80–120 km/h (50–75 mph) in fourth gear takes just 6.9 seconds. Top speed is limited electronically to 250km/h or 155 mph, and fuel consumption is 8.9 litres/100 km or 31.7 mpg Imp in the composite EU cycle."

"The 330d Touring offers dynamism of the highest standard: Featuring second-generation common rail technology, this power diesel develops maximum output of 170 kW/231 bhp and peak torque of 500 Nm/369 lb-ft from six cylinders, maintaining this high torque level all the way from 1,750– 3,000 rpm. The result is best-in-segment dynamics, drive comfort, output and torque, with acceleration from 0–100 km/h in 6.8 seconds, and in 5.2 seconds from 80–120 km/h (50–75 mph) in fourth gear. Top speed, in turn, is 248 km/h or 154 mph."

So the correct data is 330i 0-100km/h in 6.4s, and the 330d in 6.8s, but 80-120km/h 330i in 6.9s, and the 330d in 5.2s.

As i said data which i wrote were correct and the first poster just didn't provide us with correct data.

Link: http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cf...eng/bmw/1.html

[Thomas]

@bimmy,

You're right, I made a error.. I couldn't copy-paste, so I had to type it over and made a mistake.. But the rest of the data are correct, they are from www.autobild.de

[Thomas]

corrected it in the first post..

[Robin_NL]

Having had a 330d E46 and a 330i E46 in the past, I must say in NORMAL DRIVING without much gearchanging, the 330d felt a lotfaster(184BHP) compared to the 231BHP 330i, 390Nm vs 300Nm.

But pushing hard the 330i was WAY faster than the 330d thru gears.

0-100kmh(62mph) is 6,1 sec for the E90 330i. 15,1s for 100mph.(160kmh) That's 535d territory or even faster.

From 0-200kmh the 330i is 2 seconds faster than the 535d

330d will be a great car though, but at the end horsepower wins, If applied correctly.

[bimmy]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Having had a 330d E46 and a 330i E46 in the past, I must say in NORMAL DRIVING without much gearchanging, the 330d felt a lotfaster(184BHP) compared to the 231BHP 330i, 390Nm vs 300Nm.

But pushing hard the 330i was WAY faster than the 330d thru gears.

0-100kmh(62mph) is 6,1 sec for the E90 330i. 15,1s for 100mph.(160kmh) That's 535d territory or even faster.

From 0-200kmh the 330i is 2 seconds faster than the 535d

330d will be a great car though, but at the end horsepower wins, If applied correctly.

Yeah that's true, but you forgot that the 535d comes with automatic only, and it's much heavier than 330i, due to bigger car and heavier engine. The real comparsion should be made when the 335d comes and hopefully with manual six speed transmission. I think that the clear winner will be 335d.

[bimmy]

Originally Posted by Thomas

corrected it in the first post..

You have forgotten to change the 0-62 times from 6.9 to 6.4s for 330i. So that teritory is still ruled by 330i and not 330d as you originaly claimed.
But i must concure with you on the matter of midrange acceleration, 330d is a lot faster then 330i. And it uses less fuel, so for everyday driving it's an easy pick, espeacialy if you drive a lot.

[CorporalCarrot]

Robin

Its true that the standard/manufacturers quoted in-gear times tend to favour the diesels by their very nature. The diesels will be typically producing their maximum torque *at the wheels* in 4th whereas the petrols could produce more torque *at the wheels* by dropping to third and taking advantage of gearing. This is particularly true where there is a huge horsepower variance between the cars.

But looking at the figures, the E90 330i has a lot more to overcome than the E46 did because the new 330d will have 369 lb ft whereas the old 330d had just 303 lb ft. This is a big increase in torque whereas the 330i has gained less than 10 lb ft.

6.9 (330i) vs 5.2 (330d) looks like a big gap to bridge. Can't wait to see them both in action.

Either way I would say there would be sod all in it. Which is why the 330d will sell in greater numbers where both are available. Practically identical performance, greater fuel economy, and in places where taxes/bik are assessed on these matters far lower co2.

C

[Hornet]

Tuning potential of the 330d will make it a more popular model compared to 330i here in Europe.
I guess it's easy to get same hp nubers for the diesel.

[JBOO]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

From 0-200kmh the 330i is 2 seconds faster than the 535d

Robin, where did you get those figures from? Many 535d owners feel BMW statistics are under-estimated and in fact, the 535d is very close in acceleration to the 545i. Of course, I have never seen where anyone actually compared the two, but I'm quite surprised to see that the 330i is faster by 2 seconds to 200km.

[Thomas]

You have forgotten to change the 0-62 times from 6.9 to 6.4s for 330i. So that teritory is still ruled by 330i and not 330d as you originaly claimed.

I didn't change that because my source -AutoBild- gives these figures for the 330i accelaration, 6,4 seems more logical to mee but I guess they're right...

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by JBOO

Robin, where did you get those figures from? Many 535d owners feel BMW statistics are under-estimated and in fact, the 535d is very close in acceleration to the 545i. Of course, I have never seen where anyone actually compared the two, but I'm quite surprised to see that the 330i is faster by 2 seconds to 200km.

Dutch Car mag Autovisie tested the 535d:7.1s to 100kmh, 25.5 to 200kmh.

Autozeitung tested a 330i manual 3 months or so ago: 0-200kmh:23.5 seconds and they where very very astonished, positively that is.

But irl the 330d will be 'faster' I know.

But 2 points for me never wanting a diesel again:
1)Life begins at 5000rpm
2) the heavier diesel engine in the front makes the already noseheavy 330i even heavier, more understeered in a 330/335d , agility is gone in a way

(Having had a M3 and 120d, I'd love to testdrive a 130i, more agile)

Less weight is more important than torque or hp(you can't get enough hp though)

[JBOO]

Okay I see now, but its hard to compare times from two different sources. Especially considering their 0-100 for the 535d is so far off of what BMW claims and like I said before, most people think that the BMW stats are conservative for the 535d as they have tested their cars much faster. I've gotten mid 5 second runs with mine using a Gtech performance meter. I'm not going to claim that's how fast my car is, but I definitely think it will run mid 6's and no doubt faster than 7.1.

However, I agree with you that there is no comparison when it comes to the pure joy you get from the BMW gasoline engines.

I have driven the 120d and 320d and I was not pleased at all with their performance and engine characteristics. At least the redline on my 535d is higher than the normal diesel and its amazing power and torque make up for some of the diesel shortcomings, but I still wish for the aural delights of an inline 6.

[stressdoc]

I was becoming convinced that I could be very happy with a touring-diesel-steptronic, but you guys are giving me second thoughts. I love the high rpm zoom and balanced handling of the petrol inline sixes.

[CorporalCarrot]

Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks that the E90, just like the E60, looks better in touring form??

I'm not a hater of current BMW designs like some people, but I do feel the back end of the E90 saloon is a bit uninspiring and more than one person has commented to me that it looks like the last generation nissan primera.

C

[stressdoc]

I am with CC -- I like the looks of the touring. But I like the practicality even more! Negatives: extra weight and $. Too bad all we seem to get is one engine here in the USA...

[JBOO]

I agree, I find the Touring a better design and more value for the money. I especially love the panorama roof.

Stressdoc, don't get me wrong. My first diesel experience is phenomenal and I would recommend it to anyone, especially considering that it offers similar performance to a car that costs $10K more (545i). I actually may consider the 330d after a test drive, but I won't consider a 320d. For me, the performance is not enough to overcome the negatives of the engine (lower redline, not as sweet sounding). However, I will get a 330d if it impressess me (performance wise) more than the 330i, and there is a good chance of that, since I thought the 530d was much better than the 530i.

[stressdoc]

Thanks for the advice JBOO! BMWNA if you are listening I will be extremely distraught trying to decide between a 330d touring and a 335i turbo. Help this poor soul by offering a 335i turbo touring...