135i + $6k vs 1m

Dubso · 05-17-2011, 09:54 AM

2012 135i ~$40k
2012 1m ~$46k

Bigger bang for the buck?

nurburgring 1m = 8.12min
135i= 8.40min

would I be able to catch up to 1m for $6k or less?
Call me crazy or insane, but my ultimate goal over the next years is to get a 1er platform car with 7:30 min or less around nurburgring for a total cost of less than a new Skyline GTR. and street legal. Ideas? input positive or negative would both be gladly appreciated.

Focusedintntions · 05-17-2011, 10:07 AM

I would say it'd be close. In either case you'd have swap out suspensions which a really good set up is going to run you 3-4k easy on either car. The biggest expense on the 135i is getting the lsd, which can add 3-5k depeding on which route you go. 135i has a better drag coefficient than the 1m which would be better for higher speeds, but the 1m's wider body work allows for wider rubber to be shoved in there for more grip in the corners. The other huge difference is the motors...n54 vs n55...my guess is the 1m already has adequate cooling for the motor for the power it has and more.

I think ultimately the 1m would be a cheaper car to get to your goal, but the regular 135i would me a more fun challenge.

Dubso · 05-17-2011, 10:22 AM

Appreciate the input

I agree with the cooling issue.
One more thing that Ill give the 135i is its sleeeper status. The 1M looks aggressive and you expect it to haul a**. The face of those 5.0 mustangs in my rear view is just priceless.

Focusedintntions · 05-17-2011, 10:39 AM

The sleeper status is fun of the 135i. People don't give it credit for how fast it really is.

doublevanosrc · 05-17-2011, 10:41 AM

You're going to have to put together a serious suspension and power upgrade to achieve that goal. For the $6k charge if you think about it the 1M is a bargain.

JHOOPS2 · 05-17-2011, 10:47 AM

Buying new right now, I would go for the M + JB4, and get a set of tires that actually fit the wheels.

Focusedintntions · 05-17-2011, 10:48 AM

Yeah he's paying 6k more and still going to have to replace all the suspension and do upgrades in power and such. Really he'd be paying 6k more for the wider body work and included cooling upgrades.

NYC 135i · 05-17-2011, 11:04 AM

I'd have to agree with focused...if you were getting an n54 135i you'd have a better chance of reaching your goal right now with the tunes out for the n54...this could change soon we dont really know the power limits for the n55 but i do know the engine internals are weaker and i'd be really careful pushing your n55 to its limits...forged crank in n54 FTW.

miiipilot · 05-17-2011, 11:30 AM

Are you looking at a stipper 1///M?

Aren't the 1///Ms going for $52000 with the normal options?

a 2012 135 at $40 has what options? a $46 1///M has none right? So you are probably looking at a $12000 difference for similar equipment right?

miiipilot

pixelblue · 05-17-2011, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubso

Call me crazy or insane, but my ultimate goal over the next years is to get a 1er platform car with 7:30 min or less around nurburgring for a total cost of less than a new Skyline GTR. and street legal. Ideas? input positive or negative would both be gladly appreciated.

that's a pretty lofty goal for the price of a GTR. you will need a serious engine upgrade plus suspension and aerodynamics. I would think you will need somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 hp which means you need to upgrade the turbos along with everything else to make it last more than a lap around the ring. can it be done for $40k parts and labor? I suppose so if you have the resources and the knowledge support to get it right the first time around.

check out the car in this link. I am sure this car would be able to pull it off. how much do you think it cost to put this together?
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ght=hill+climb

1speedbike · 05-17-2011, 12:01 PM

Also, take into account that a 135i can be had for under msrp whereas the best you can get for a 1M is at msrp. Also the obnoxious waiting time and all the games you have to play with dealerships to actually get one at msrp at this point. You're gonna chip the motor, upgrade the exhaust, downpipes, brakes, intake and many other things on both cars anyway, so you really are paying 6K for a body kit and a suspension. However you might upgrade the M suspension anyway. People tend to revere the ///M engineers as golden gods sent from the heavens to create perfect parts. I don't think so, all the proof you need is that video floating around of the manager of the performance line and see what a clueless dweeb he is. You'll get roughly the same performance whether you upgrade a 135 with KW springs vs BMW's M springs. In my opinion at least.

If any older members remember, in the beginning when the 135i came out lots of threads were about "what do I need to beat an M3?" And it was a definitely attainable goal without too much crazy stuff. Now, the sentiment seems to be "M will never be beat by non-M" which I disagree with. So if you upgrade the M suspension anyway, it's basically 6K for a body kit. Worth it? Up to you

GeeRam · 05-17-2011, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubso

2012 135i ~$40k
2012 1m ~$46k

$6k difference...... ???

Surely it's more than that.

Here in the UK, it's about GB£9k difference between a base 135i and a base 1M (that's about US$15k...)

BimmerJim · 05-17-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubso

Appreciate the input

I agree with the cooling issue.
One more thing that Ill give the 135i is its sleeeper status. The 1M looks aggressive and you expect it to haul a**. The face of those 5.0 mustangs in my rear view is just priceless.

Z-8 · 05-17-2011, 08:08 PM

I was wondering the same thing, but thinking maybe as little as $400 more for a JB3 +50hp or $1000 Procede @ +80hp.

vantagesc · 05-17-2011, 09:23 PM

I just bought a 135i on an impulse buy. Needed a comfortable daily driver and not a sports car, and it fit the bill. Ever since, I've been wondering if I made a mistake and should have gotten the 1M instead. So I've thought about this considerably. IMO, it's better to start with the 1M rather than putting $6-10k worth of mods in a 135i, unless you already have the 135i and don't care about resale value. The 1M is already tuned to be fast, reliable, and comfortable / practical like any other BMW. Just upgrading the suspension to aftermarket + M3 bits alone would cost a considerable amount of money, particularly if you have to pay for labor.

That said, if you are willing to sacrifice some streetablility in efforts to make an all out performance vehicle, you have several advantages. First, you can remove a lot of weight from the car like rear seats, power seats, speakers, etc. These mods are essentially free. Second, you can put a more track oriented suspension on the car.

Furthermore, power counts for a lot on the Nurburgring....that's why the M3 is probably faster than the 1M there.

1M + DCT would have been the perfect daily driver IMO!

vantagesc · 05-17-2011, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miiipilot

Are you looking at a stipper 1///M?

Aren't the 1///Ms going for $52000 with the normal options?

a 2012 135 at $40 has what options? a $46 1///M has none right? So you are probably looking at a $12000 difference for similar equipment right?

miiipilot

The difference isn't that much comparing MSRP to MSRP. More like $6k, except I think sunroofs are standard on the 135i?

However, you are correct, the real world price difference is more. Depending on the options you pick, a 2011 135i is about $2k less than a 2012 135i. A nicely optioned 1M is about $51k (premium pack, HK radio). My nicely optioned 2011 135i w/ M-sport was a shade under $45k but has (1) DCT and (2) a sunroof, neither of which are available on the 1M. Then taking into account the discount for off the lot 135i's, the difference is about $10. Plus whatever you want to value DCT and the sunroof at.

Dubso · 05-18-2011, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Focusedintntions

Yeah he's paying 6k more and still going to have to replace all the suspension and do upgrades in power and such. Really he'd be paying 6k more for the wider body work and included cooling upgrades.

Agree! Will the few inches wider track give me that much of an advantage for 6k?
does the 1m have oil cooler?
+lsd, but im guessing the 3rd party outperforms the stock M LSD

Dubso · 05-18-2011, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC 135i

I'd have to agree with focused...if you were getting an n54 135i you'd have a better chance of reaching your goal right now with the tunes out for the n54...this could change soon we dont really know the power limits for the n55 but i do know the engine internals are weaker and i'd be really careful pushing your n55 to its limits...forged crank in n54 FTW.

true, I am staring to hear more good about the n54 vs the n55 in terms of internal components.
I guess the "near" future will have some more answers when tunes become more availible for n55

Dubso · 05-18-2011, 07:41 AM

[QUOTE=GeeRam;9621818]$6k difference...... ???

Surely it's more than that.

Here in the UK, it's about GB£9k difference between a base 135i and a base 1M (that's about US$15k...)[

"starting at:" prices taken from BMW USA site.

Didnt want to complicate things going into all the options.

shodanusmc · 05-18-2011, 08:02 AM

For the price of a GT-R, why not just buy a GT-R? For he price difference, I would go with a 135 vs. the M1.

Prof T · 05-18-2011, 06:43 PM

Bottom line is what you want and can $$$$$. Bet a base 1M will be very hard to get. I do think all M's should be base, but I'm not trying to make money selling them. You can get a 2010 135 for a good price and go to town on it for a lot less.

ParkNuts · 05-19-2011, 12:58 PM

I think everyone with a 1 series wants to know this. I am very satisfied with the power of my 135 but would like to get the handling up to M levels. I'm just wondering what it would take to get it there without the wider body... because I am not going that route even though the 1M looks ridiculously sexy. If it would be a KW V2, V3, whatever, I'd probably go for it. A limited slip is a bit pricey for me to pick one up just to keep up with an M in the turns, especially when my car won't see much track time.

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Dubso Private 22 Rep 90 Posts Drives: 11' 135i, 04' S60R, 03 MR-2 S Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Stuttgart, Germany iTrader: (0)	135i + $6k vs 1m 2012 135i ~$40k 2012 1m ~$46k Bigger bang for the buck? nurburgring 1m = 8.12min 135i= 8.40min would I be able to catch up to 1m for $6k or less? Call me crazy or insane, but my ultimate goal over the next years is to get a 1er platform car with 7:30 min or less around nurburgring for a total cost of less than a new Skyline GTR. and street legal. Ideas? input positive or negative would both be gladly appreciated.
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Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	I would say it'd be close. In either case you'd have swap out suspensions which a really good set up is going to run you 3-4k easy on either car. The biggest expense on the 135i is getting the lsd, which can add 3-5k depeding on which route you go. 135i has a better drag coefficient than the 1m which would be better for higher speeds, but the 1m's wider body work allows for wider rubber to be shoved in there for more grip in the corners. The other huge difference is the motors...n54 vs n55...my guess is the 1m already has adequate cooling for the motor for the power it has and more. I think ultimately the 1m would be a cheaper car to get to your goal, but the regular 135i would me a more fun challenge. __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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Dubso Private 22 Rep 90 Posts Drives: 11' 135i, 04' S60R, 03 MR-2 S Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Stuttgart, Germany iTrader: (0)	Appreciate the input I agree with the cooling issue. One more thing that Ill give the 135i is its sleeeper status. The 1M looks aggressive and you expect it to haul a**. The face of those 5.0 mustangs in my rear view is just priceless.
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Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	The sleeper status is fun of the 135i. People don't give it credit for how fast it really is. __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	Yeah he's paying 6k more and still going to have to replace all the suspension and do upgrades in power and such. Really he'd be paying 6k more for the wider body work and included cooling upgrades. __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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Z-8 New Member 1 Rep 12 Posts Drives: N55 135i Convertible Join Date: May 2011 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	I was wondering the same thing, but thinking maybe as little as $400 more for a JB3 +50hp or $1000 Procede @ +80hp.
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vantagesc First Lieutenant 45 Rep 365 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I just bought a 135i on an impulse buy. Needed a comfortable daily driver and not a sports car, and it fit the bill. Ever since, I've been wondering if I made a mistake and should have gotten the 1M instead. So I've thought about this considerably. IMO, it's better to start with the 1M rather than putting $6-10k worth of mods in a 135i, unless you already have the 135i and don't care about resale value. The 1M is already tuned to be fast, reliable, and comfortable / practical like any other BMW. Just upgrading the suspension to aftermarket + M3 bits alone would cost a considerable amount of money, particularly if you have to pay for labor. That said, if you are willing to sacrifice some streetablility in efforts to make an all out performance vehicle, you have several advantages. First, you can remove a lot of weight from the car like rear seats, power seats, speakers, etc. These mods are essentially free. Second, you can put a more track oriented suspension on the car. Furthermore, power counts for a lot on the Nurburgring....that's why the M3 is probably faster than the 1M there. 1M + DCT would have been the perfect daily driver IMO!
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Dubso Private 22 Rep 90 Posts Drives: 11' 135i, 04' S60R, 03 MR-2 S Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Stuttgart, Germany iTrader: (0)	[QUOTE=GeeRam;9621818]$6k difference...... ??? Surely it's more than that. Here in the UK, it's about GB£9k difference between a base 135i and a base 1M (that's about US$15k...)[ "starting at:" prices taken from BMW USA site. Didnt want to complicate things going into all the options.
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shodanusmc Captain 21 Rep 774 Posts Drives: 09 135 Vert Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago burb iTrader: (0)	For the price of a GT-R, why not just buy a GT-R? For he price difference, I would go with a 135 vs. the M1.
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Prof T COACH 2 Rep 285 Posts Drives: 2010 135 conv, 2009 M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: BMW iTrader: (0)	Bottom line is what you want and can $$$$$. Bet a base 1M will be very hard to get. I do think all M's should be base, but I'm not trying to make money selling them. You can get a 2010 135 for a good price and go to town on it for a lot less.
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ParkNuts First Lieutenant 99 Rep 370 Posts Drives: 2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	I think everyone with a 1 series wants to know this. I am very satisfied with the power of my 135 but would like to get the handling up to M levels. I'm just wondering what it would take to get it there without the wider body... because I am not going that route even though the 1M looks ridiculously sexy. If it would be a KW V2, V3, whatever, I'd probably go for it. A limited slip is a bit pricey for me to pick one up just to keep up with an M in the turns, especially when my car won't see much track time.
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