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Jalopnik and its 'commentors' are full of sh!t -- they only have affinity towards 5-door diesels, El Camino-ized sports cars, malaise-era barges and, most confounding, "Vulcan" V6 Ford Rangers/ Taurus/Tempos.
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The point is that two used cars are better than 1 new car. No car can do everything; it can't be a GT, a sports car and a family hauler. You pay 36k for a 1 series and it is fast BUT it does not handle like a sports car and can't haul like a family car. 36k for a 135 is also a special order stripper with only sport and probably Euro delivery. Go to any dealership and find a 135 for under 40k. If you want to keep things totally square I would say two NEW cars I would prefer is a Honda Fit and a Mazda Miata. Combined they are under 40k, or about the price or an averagely optioned 135. You have all the utility you want, plus an excellent handling convertible that you can have fun in. Sure, you won't win any drag races but you will have a ton of fun at legal speeds. The insurance will be higher marginally but maintenance (since you are only putting half the miles on each car) should not be much at all. And once you are out of BMW warranty I expect them to be much less. The biggest cost will be depreciation but you will be WAYYY ahead getting two cheaper cars than a single BMW. The FIT/Miata combo will be worth more simply because both cars hold their value better but also will have half the miles of the BMW. The BMW will have about 50k miles while each of the others will only have 25k. If you expand the list to used cars there are almost infinite possibilities in car pairings for 40k. There is no reason to have one expensive car that trys to do everything but ultimately fails when you can get two cars that combined can do anything you possibly want. PS I know the BMW has a nicer interior but if you are worrying and status and interior why are you getting an entry level 1 series instead of a used 3 or 5? |
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09-18-2008, 05:12 PM | #91 |
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If you are rich enough to buy a 36-45k 1 series you better be rich enough to maintain two barely used cars. Unless you are leasing the 1 with your last dollar and eating PB&J every meal.
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09-18-2008, 05:22 PM | #92 |
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I think if anyone here was buying for image and interior, they should consider an Audi. I'm not at all knocking BMW, but Audi interiors rock!
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the 1 series has a great interior, that is where we spend all our time in these cars you know, it's one of the most important things about a car IMO
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And in regards to your other comment, the part about if someone wants an interior with nicer materials and build quality it's for prestige? One can only say :bs: We're talking about a 1 series here.. not the proletariate reaching for the trappings of the bourgeoisie. 1 series drivers are not seeking status. They're seeking a fast car the blurs the edges of practical and fun. Of course, one would hope that you don't really think interiors have anything to do with status. More likely you were just seeking to propagate the BMW/ urban professional stereotype in an effort to be annoying. Whatever. I'm not drawn to the argument. Or to Honda Fit's. |
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Why even mention a Miata when just about any $1000 used motorcycle will give you many more thrills (and will win you a lot of drag races)? Ultimately, it doesn't make much sense to debate the value of a brand new car on the basis of what's available on the used market. A used Miata and Fit are horrible, horrible values, if fun+utility/$ is your only criteria.
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I think his point was that if all you wanted was one vehicle for utility and one only for fun, a motorcycle would give you more fun for less money than a Miata. After spending less on a motorcycle (when compared to a Miata) for your fun vehicle, you would be able to get a better utility vehicle than a Honda Fit with the money left over.
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True, the 135/335 is very fast. Undeniably. But how often can you plant your foot and really wind out the engine? Throw the car into a corner? The fun of the miata is that you can wind it out and throw the 2400lb car around a lot better than you can with a 3400lb 1 series. |
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I don't see how you can say a Miata/Fit combo is not good for fun+utility/$. Straightline speed holds no special appeal for me, both of those cars are quick enough. They are also lightweight and nimble. I prefer flogging slower cars that are engaging and have some soul to them. Like an old E30/E36 BMW. |
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Honestly, is it me or are you guys a bunch of whiners. I don't know why you're on this forum unless you are either deciding whether to buy a 1-series or already own one. And, if you already own one and are sour grapes like some of you, too bad. Should've done your homework.
I know you're all smarter than me, but I love this car, feel great driving it and don't regret it at all. Would I like a Lambo or even a M6? Damn right, but I think I made a pretty good decision. And I think many owners here will agree about their own 1s. At least I hope so!
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As for practicality, the sportbike gets better economy, you can split-lanes or use carpool lanes even w/o passenger, and find infinitely more parking space. But if your measure of practicality is solely cargo carrying capacity, the 135i has the Miata trumped. How can I say a Miata/Fit combo is not a good one? Simple. I'm using your own line of reasoning (and taking into account your new vs used value judgement): a $1000 used sportbike is vastly more involving than a Miata (good luck leaning a Miata into a corner), and any number of good used minivans can be had for less than $2000 (Previa, MPV, etc). Those alternatives make your Miata/Fit combo look absolutely ridiculous if all you're after is a combo of (fun+utility)/$. If you want an old E30/E36, then go ahead and get one. I have driven various examples, some fun, some not so fun, some that would require a small fortune to put right due to owner neglect/abuse. Their existence in the used car market should have no bearing on the worth of a brand new $35K+ car. That is why most reputable mags rightly compare apples to apples (new vs new). |
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Apples to apples I feel that the miata/fit combo is a much better deal for fun than a 135. Both of those cars are lightweight and fun to drive. The Fit is much more practical than a 135 (better fuel economy, more space, cheaper to maintain) The Miata is more fun than a 135 (convertible, lightweight, nimble handling). I never compared the 135's practicallity to a miata; only a miata to a sport bike. True, the 135 is greater than either car individually but combined they are better. The BMW will be faster on a track but if you are looking for fun everyday at LEGAL speeds I argue it is hard to beat a miata. You can't mock a miata until you have driven one; having driven and owned both i can honestly saw the miata was more fun. Last thought..image of the cars. Miatas might be gay but sportbike drivers have a negative image as well as BMW drivers. Just have to pick your poison. I prefer gay over the alternative (ever here about the only difference between a porcupine a BMW?) |
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Along the same lines, I suppose you could recommend a 128i and a sportbike for the money -- all the luxury and ride for 95% of driving, and when you really need to feel that rush....
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