Walked over by a 335D!!!

BMW-driver · 07-09-2009, 06:30 AM

^^ exactly Federik!

Quick1 TO BE · 07-10-2009, 10:31 PM

dude.. learn how to drive before you try to race donkey..

and oh yeah take it to the track... pleaseeeeeeeeeee....

Ash

RPM90 · 07-11-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mtla4

I'll take an F1 or even a DTM car before a Nascar. My favorite car to date was my RSX-S you had to master in order to drive it fast. You couldn't miss a shift and had to shift at the right moment. The 135 is easy to drive from 2000 rpm all the way up to 5500 it goes. It's like driving a mustang ...I can be in sixth gear without downshifting and it will still go...not too challenging IMO. Still a great car for daily grind but it does not match the E46 M3, E9X M3 or M Coupe or even S2K in term of driving pleasure. I guess it's a matter of taste but I feel like I'm driving a muscle car. If the car would have had the old S54 engine along with an LSD then it would be a keeper.

The RSX-S is a very fun car to drive. A FWD done right, and that sweet manual trans, very nice, along with Honda small engine, high rev torque know-how.

I was worried that my 135i would be to low rpm happy, more like a diesel, especially after seeing some early dyno's. But, I am pleasantly surprised and very happy that this engine still loves to rev and has a broad torque spread. It's has a more flexible powerband than a Mushstang.
The 135i is super smooth, I think, due to BMW's excellent driveline tuning.
It's still a challenging car to drive as you still have to control that power to the rear wheels. Sure, you don't have to wring out the engine to keep the engine on the boil, like you do in the RSX or Civic Si, but I don't think that takes the fun away. It simply adds a different kind of fun.

I do love a sweet, easy revving, broad torque spread, and that's why in some ways the 128i and 328i can be a bit more fun to wring out.
You have to be more judicious with the prodigious troque of the TT 3.0.
In the non turbo 3.0 you rev it longer at street speeds.
It can be more fun to drive a lower HP car fast, than to drive a high HP car slow.

Robert · 07-11-2009, 03:20 AM

I don't use my first gear much so often I find myself taking off in 2nd and if the pedal is not applied judicially, DSC will cut your power, or with it off, the rear end will break lose. I learned that lesson fast. Like RPM90 said in a high HP car in 2nd gear, breaking the rearend lose, can be dangerous, but thank BMW for the factory understeer.

atr_hugo · 07-11-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RPM90

It can be more fun to drive a lower HP car fast, than to drive a high HP car slow.

Absolutely (maybe draw the line at including a Daewoo though ; -) - and it doesn't attract the polizie when it's wrung out to 10/10ths either!

That said - for a daily driver - torque is GOOD.

BMW-driver · 07-11-2009, 07:16 AM

^+1. I do absolutely agree. Yes, driving a Daewoo around the track on the limit, can give you a lot more fun then doing 200mph with a Bugatti Veyron in straight line.

BlueC · 07-11-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WAY

You were in 6th, and who knows what gear he was in? And 335d is massively quick, especially if he has work done to it as well!

+1

If he floored it, it most likely downshifted into a lower gear. The 335d is only equipped with an automatic transmission.

blklacker · 07-11-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueC

+1

If he floored it, it most likely downshifted into a lower gear. The 335d is only equipped with an automatic transmission.

+1 he was in the correct Gear.. you were in the incorrect gear...

BMW-driver · 07-12-2009, 05:48 AM

+1. But finaly, the 135i wil overtake always.

mtla4 · 07-12-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by acs1.35i

^+1. I do absolutely agree. Yes, driving a Daewoo around the track on the limit, can give you a lot more fun then doing 200mph with a Bugatti Veyron in straight line.

I agree..well seems like we all agree

HachiNi · 07-13-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ru55

That makes sense!

In the 135, even if you drop it down to 5th gear, doesnt make any difference from 6th.

Was VERY supprised!!! (and a little upset)

well... it IS a more expensive car.. I would be upset if it was slower than the 135... more power doesn't = faster car. And if you think it does, you are sorely mistaken.

dannemare · 07-13-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HachiNi

well... it IS a more expensive car.. I would be upset if it was slower than the 135...

Great, so now it's the price tag of a car that determines its acceleration.

Well, you should really have opted to pay twice the asking price for your 135i then as it would have given you an additional 100 hp, at least!.

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Originally Posted by HachiNi

more power doesn't = faster car. And if you think it does, you are sorely mistaken.

Of course "power" isn't the only factor. Weight (and traction, especially in 1st and 2nd gear) plays a HUGE role. Btw, how do you define "power"? Are you referring to peak hp? Avg. hp? Peak torque? Avg. torque? Engine torque? Or something else? You should really go read my previous post. Transmission output torque is the keyword(s) here.

Quick1 TO BE · 07-20-2009, 01:40 PM

most of you guys are missing the point and attacking the cars.... ITS THE DRIVERRRR.. move on.. thanks

Ash

Moxie · 09-24-2011, 10:50 AM

335d family cruiser - All Day Long

NeedMoreTorque · 09-29-2011, 07:58 AM

I bought my 135i from a guy who had just ordered a 335d from the factory. When I was picking up my car, he mentioned that the 60-80 time is faster than that of a Porsche Turbo. I don't know the specifics on the fact...but, I do know he has since picked it up. He indicated that the car has an incredible ability to get-up-and-go for passing a car on the highway.

1Morepower · 09-29-2011, 09:53 AM

[QUOTE=ru55;5427899]That makes sense!

In the 135, even if you drop it down to 5th gear, doesnt make any difference from 6th.

Was VERY supprised!!! (and a little upset)[/QUOTE

What you need is some AR catless down pipes and an Evolve front mount intercooler with the above and a custome remap I was running a safe 421BHP

and over 445 lbs T.

Actually I have both the down pipes (specialy for right hand drive) and the intercooler for sale

PM if you are interested and then no 335 or anything else stand much of a chance.... trsut me !!!!!!

Dackelone · 09-29-2011, 10:00 AM

Its funny I read this thread. Today on my way home from work... this guy in a white e91 wagon wants to race. I just floored it in 6th and blew him into the weeds. He kept coming for more. So I had some fun. It wasn't even close. I just killed him from 120 kph until 270 kph! He was so far back (20+ cars, 600m back) it was funny.

I'm pretty sure it was a 335i wagon. Because after awhile I let him catch up to me and pass me. Thats always the fun part... seeing their face as they try to figure out what kind of machine you have.

A 335d is a fast car. But not as fast as a 135i. Stock vs stock it is a close race. Stock 335d vs mod'd 135i there is not chance. Total kill.

John Dempsey · 09-29-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blklacker

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Originally Posted by mtla4

Torque does not win races. My old torqueless japanese cars used to spank comparable v6-v8 cars all day long. Torque is good for (lazy drivers)
I'd take a torqueless E90 M3 over a torquey E90 335I with JB3
Driving an automatic car with gobs of torque require no skills. All you need to do is press the gas you can't mess up.
Even with a manual tranny you can't really fall out of the powerband.
Bottom line is you can buy a fast car but can't buy driving skills at the local dealership

you got that right...

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dh58 · 09-29-2011, 11:56 AM

You were in the wrong gear???

Vtec Abuser · 09-30-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedMoreTorque

I bought my 135i from a guy who had just ordered a 335d from the factory. When I was picking up my car, he mentioned that the 60-80 time is faster than that of a Porsche Turbo. I don't know the specifics on the fact...but, I do know he has since picked it up. He indicated that the car has an incredible ability to get-up-and-go for passing a car on the highway.

Yeah, probably in 6th gear at 1200rpm it might be. But balls out in the right gear? No chance!

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1Morepower Enlisted Member 7 Rep 46 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London iTrader: (0)	[QUOTE=ru55;5427899]That makes sense! In the 135, even if you drop it down to 5th gear, doesnt make any difference from 6th. Was VERY supprised!!! (and a little upset)[/QUOTE What you need is some AR catless down pipes and an Evolve front mount intercooler with the above and a custome remap I was running a safe 421BHP and over 445 lbs T. Actually I have both the down pipes (specialy for right hand drive) and the intercooler for sale PM if you are interested and then no 335 or anything else stand much of a chance.... trsut me !!!!!!
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Dackelone European Editor 10539 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	Its funny I read this thread. Today on my way home from work... this guy in a white e91 wagon wants to race. I just floored it in 6th and blew him into the weeds. He kept coming for more. So I had some fun. It wasn't even close. I just killed him from 120 kph until 270 kph! He was so far back (20+ cars, 600m back) it was funny. I'm pretty sure it was a 335i wagon. Because after awhile I let him catch up to me and pass me. Thats always the fun part... seeing their face as they try to figure out what kind of machine you have. A 335d is a fast car. But not as fast as a 135i. Stock vs stock it is a close race. Stock 335d vs mod'd 135i there is not chance. Total kill.
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