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| 12-22-2009, 03:19 PM | #1 |
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Valero gas... Bad? Good?
Shell and Chevron (can't get Chevron here) are good fuels for the most part.
How's Valero gas? Reason I ask is it's pretty close to work and it's consistently cheaper than most everyone in the city. Anybody know how bad/good it is? I'd be getting the 91 oct stuff (highest I can get in CO) I found this on Google in some blog, but don't know the truth of it: "Valero is a refinery company and a distributor, so they can cut the middleman out entirely to absorb this profit or hand it over to consumers as they see fit. And above that fact, Valero has invested more in refinerys that don't need 'sweet' crude, which is oil with a low sulpher content and costs less to refine but is more expensive per barrel, which is like a hedge fund giving them more options to buy the cheaper oil. The more expensive stations are usually open 24 hours, raising their overhead and causing them to charge more per gallon." And also I've found a ton of other threads saying the quality is terrible and to avoid it. |
| 12-22-2009, 03:58 PM | #2 |
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Theres no hard proof online that states who has the best gas. No1 tests it or if they do its something thats been hidden away or paid off to remove. Too much money to be made/lost in the gas market to say one brand is better than another brand.
Shell and Chevron both add additives to the truck when its being filled. Techron, Shells Nitrogen all their engine cleaning special mixes they hype up. My opinion its all the same gas.. Each brand may add some additives. The thing to worry most about is gas stations that have OLD gas or dirty tanks. It sure would be nice for someone to test every gas station, put the results online and stick it to the people selling shitty gas. But the gas companies would sue you for slander or something or just pay you to remove your data. |
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| 12-22-2009, 04:01 PM | #3 |
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Valero is a great gas, and one of the largest refinery's around. Made money on them over the years with puts and calls. Good Long Term holder also. Most gas brands are fine, just do not fill up if the delivery trucks are filling up the tanks, or if it gets no business.
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| 12-22-2009, 04:13 PM | #4 | |
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The EPA has really cracked down on that sort of thing over the last 10 years, and it's why you see so many small stations that have been shut down. They couldn't afford to replace the tanks. These days the biggest risk is probably of flood waters getting into the tanks through the fill holes, but that should be pretty rare. I don't think dirty tanks are nearly as much of a problem as they were a few years ago. |
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| 12-24-2009, 02:48 PM | #8 |
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Top Tier Detergent Gasoline
TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline is the premier standard for gasoline performance. Six of the world's top automakers, BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi recognize that the current EPA minimum detergent requirements do not go far enough to ensure optimal engine performance. Since the minimum additive performance standards were first established by EPA in 1995, most gasoline marketers have actually reduced the concentration level of detergent additive in their gasoline by up to 50%. As a result, the ability of a vehicle to maintain stringent Tier 2 emission standards have been hampered, leading to engine deposits which can have a big impact on in-use emissions and driver satisfaction. These automakers have raised the bar. TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline help drivers avoid lower quality gasoline which can leave deposits on critical engine parts, which reduces engine performance. That's something both drivers and automakers want to avoid. TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Retailers Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline. In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards. Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below. TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
Hope this information is helpful for any of you who have questions in regards to which gas to fill up !! - Alan |
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| 12-25-2009, 08:18 PM | #9 |
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Ive been running Valero for years without issue. Ran it in my Stage IV VFE Volkswagen R32 (90k) , my 05 CTS-V (60K) and now my Dinan S2 135i. Im sure that in 10 years time or like 150K, using one of the top tier fuels better make a difference. But since I never plan to keep a car that long its not a concern of mine. I have yet to find a top tier on my commute that is reasonable to get at and I commute 114 miles a day through 3 states NY, NJ and CT on major highways...im probably just not looking hard enough and I cannot deny the low low price of NJ fuel...then again taking a look at that list theres probably only 2 of those companies that sell thier product in the Northeast, making top tier fuel difficult to aquire.
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| 12-26-2009, 12:34 PM | #10 | |
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| 12-31-2009, 05:02 PM | #11 | |
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| 12-31-2009, 06:42 PM | #12 | |
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You probably have CITGO confused with Valero. Valero is a Texas based company. http://www.valero.com/OurBusiness/Pa...nyHistory.aspx Company History In 1980, Valero was a regional energy company with total assets just shy of $800 million, operations solely in Texas and less than 1,600 employees on its payroll. Today, Valero has annual revenues of $119 billion, and 16 refineries, seven ethanol plants and approximately 5,800 retail and branded wholesale locations across North America. Valero is the 10th
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| 12-31-2009, 06:58 PM | #13 |
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There is so much misinformation on this topic.
With the exception (possibly) of amoco ultimate gas, all gas sold in a local area comes from the same refinery... that means that your citgo may have come from the hess refinery, your shell came from the sunoco refinery, etc. The difference is in the additives put into the fuel - but unfortunately there is very little QC. Some comes from the refinery to meet EPA specs. The only fuels that are semi-guaranteed quality-wise are the "top tier" fuels sold by some vendors. I always utilize my own fuel additives to ensure cleanliness and upper cylinder lubricity. Valero is just a refiner who tried to go for a grasp of some additional profit by distributing and selling their product. They are not a top-tier fuel, FWIW. |
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| 12-31-2009, 07:30 PM | #14 | |
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The crude that goes to some refinery will be sourced from wherever it can be traded at the best rate. Lower sulfur fuels are benchmarked to a premium price related to the cost of HDS desulfurization and hydrogen costs to do the processing.
All this stuff is contracted, and crude from somewhere will go to the local refinery and be distributed throughout some area. If there are multiple refineries in an are, the local conglomerates of fuel stations may buy from one or another, and thus the source may not be from the same place. Unfortunately there is more or less nothing you can really do to prevent buying crude from Venezuela. You can avoid buying from a company that has some sort of Venezuelan influence, if you do not like it. Oil is a commodity product, it will be sourced from the lowest bidder that offers the lowest cost logistics to make it happen and bring product to market. |
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I found this to answer top tier Gas (sorry my format was altered) Each year there are others added to the list by meeting the standards.
I saw the comment about the Gas stations themselves and making sure they are clean and not to get gas while the tanks are being refilled, This is a HUGE things to consider, good job. For those who may be unaware, Top Tier fuel is a fuel performance standard written by the world’s major automakers, including General Motors, Toyota, Volkswagen, Honda, FCA, and others. The standard is intended to maximize engine performance, improve fuel economy, and lower emissions by stipulating a higher level of fuel quality via stricter deposit control. The automakers listed above felt as though the minimum deposit control requirements put forth by the EPA fell short of ensuring optimal engine performance. As such, in 2004, the Top Tier fuel economy standard was written for greater deposit control performance, thereby providing GM vehicle owners with assurance that the fuel they buy is of a high quality. The Top Tier fuel designation is only given to fuels with a higher level of engine cleaning performance through the use of deposit control additives. Top Tier fuels cannot contain harmful metallic additives, and must be available across all octane levels of the associated fuel marketer’s stations. Licensed Retail Brands Countries 76 USA Aloha USA Amoco USA ARCO Mexico ARCO USA Beacon USA BP USA Break Time C Stores USA Breakaway Canada Breakaway USA Cenex USA Chevron Canada Chevron Colombia Chevron El Salvador Chevron Guatemala Chevron Honduras Chevron Mexico Chevron Panama Chevron USA CITGO USA Co-op Canada Conoco USA Costco Wholesale Canada Costco Wholesale Mexico Costco Wholesale USA CountryMark USA CountryMark PLUS USA Diamond Shamrock USA Energy Mexico Esso Canada Express Mart (Wisconsin)USA Exxon USA Fast Fuel USA G500 Mexico Harmons Fuel Stop USA Hele USA HFN - Hawaii Fueling Network USA Holiday USA Irving Oil Canada Irving Oil USA Kirkland Signature Gasoline Canada Kirkland Signature Gasoline Mexico Kirkland Signature Gasoline USA Kwik Star USA Kwik Trip USA Marathon USA Metro Petro USA MFA Oil USA Mobil Canada Mobil USA Ohana Fuels USA Phillips 66 Puerto Rico Phillips 66 USA PUMA El Salvador PUMA Guatemala PUMA Honduras PUMA Panama PUMA Puerto Rico QT USA QuikTrip USA Ranger USA Ranger Fuel USA Ranger Mustang USA Ranger Stallion USA Ranger Thoroughbred USA Reeders USA Road Ranger USA Rutter's USA Shamrock USA Shell Canada Shell Puerto Rico Shell USA Simonson Station Stores USA Sinclair USA Tempo Canada Texaco Canada Texaco El Salvador Texaco Guatemala Texaco Honduras Texaco Panama Texaco USA Tobacco Outlet Plus Grocery USA Ultra Top Fuel Puerto Rico Valero USA Value America USA Win Win USA WOW USA YPF Argentina |
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