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      03-25-2020, 10:18 PM   #375
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I've been on the phone today with 2 US Senators, 2 State representatives, a Governor's chief of staff and their medical liaison, 4 hospitals, 2 FQHCs, 2 businesses and sent 2 PMs to members who have voiced challenges in their area to help solve the problem of coronavirus COVID-19 test kits. I've been either in meetings or on the phone since 7 this morning with a few breaks in-between. Please don't tell me what I should be doing and bring some validated information rather than your lame opinion.

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What vaccine comes out first, the one for TDS, or the one for COVID-19?
The vaccine for TDS comes out Nov 2020, when hopefully the fever breaks and they start to see how good Trump has been to them (even though they hate him). Fingers crossed for an electoral landslide and popular vote wins so we no longer have to hear about that shit.

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Isn't Uncle Joe now playing home movies every few days on how he'd manage the COVID-19 pandemic? I'm sure his solutions are much better than the current Administration. I think if Joe is unavailable, Jeff Dunham and "Walter" step in to continue the discussion.
I heard he's gonna start a podcast... the Live stuff isn't going well for Sleepy Joe, so something they can edit before release lol
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[COLOR="navy"]I've been on the phone today with 2 US Senators, 2 State representatives, a Governor's chief of staff and their medical liaison, 4 hospitals, 2 FQHCs, 2 businesses and sent 2 PMs to members who have voiced challenges in their area to help solve the problem of coronavirus COVID-19 test kits. I've been either in meetings or on the phone since 7 this morning with a few breaks in-between. Please don't tell me what I should be doing and bring some validated information rather than your lame opinion. [/COLOR]

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At least he hast tried (and failed) to blackmail a foreign company into interfering in our elections.
Come again? Last I heard that's where Trump's whole thing started was with Biden's son.

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Come again? Last I heard that's where Trump's who thing started was with Biden's son.
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"How Americans Are Responding To The Coronacrisis: A Gallup Poll"

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Well since impeachment on Russia is off the board it’s now being reported that the dems are exploring a panel to study the Covid-19 response led by guess who? That’s right! The one, the only Adam Schiff!
Unbelievable stupidity but we’ve come to expect that. Bring it.
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Please read and THEN respond in a way that we can discuss in a non inflammatory manner [...]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...y-over/607969/

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I agree that the Trump administration response to this has been objectively bad, and that no sane and objective person would look at this and think its reasonable to re-elect him, regardless of their political predispositions. But the problem is that many of the people who will vote for him are not sane, objective, or reasonable. They'll dismiss reality to hand-waive this away as a hoax, liberal plot, God's Plan, whatever - anything to clear the cognitive dissonance of voting for a man clearly unfit to hold the office.

That said, the Democrats haven't been doing themselves any favors by coalescing around Biden. He's a dream matchup for Trump - strongest in deep red states Trump will win by a landslide, controversial enough to create a fatal enthusiasm gap in deep blue and purple states, and has similar demographic issues to Trump as an old, white, creepy, out-of touch, gaffe-prone man. Its as if Nature itself is endorsing Bernie by throwing a crisis at us that plays to his platform and world view, but Democrats are ignoring it and backing Biden anyway.
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I agree that the Trump administration response to this has been objectively bad, and that no sane and objective person would look at this and think its reasonable to re-elect him, regardless of their political predispositions. But the problem is that many of the people who will vote for him are not sane, objective, or reasonable. They'll dismiss reality to hand-waive this away as a hoax, liberal plot, God's Plan, whatever - anything to clear the cognitive dissonance of voting for a man clearly unfit to hold the office.

That said, the Democrats haven't been doing themselves any favors by coalescing around Biden. He's a dream matchup for Trump - strongest in deep red states Trump will win by a landslide, controversial enough to create a fatal enthusiasm gap in deep blue and purple states, and has similar demographic issues to Trump as an old, white, creepy, out-of touch, gaffe-prone man. Its as if Nature itself is endorsing Bernie by throwing a crisis at us that plays to his platform and world view, but Democrats are ignoring it and backing Biden anyway.
So the problem with your position and I agree with much of it but the "many of the people who will vote for him are not sane, objective, or reasonable." Many of the people who vote for him are sick of being called "deplorable" by liberal elites who's best response out of the 330 Million Americans is two old rich white guys, one a raving socialist and the other is kind of creepy around young women and children and likely suffering from dementia.

Trump is an ass, but the man could cure cancer and the MSM would report on how many diet cokes he drinks rather than give him any credit. The US political system and most of western democracies has become so divided and broken that it might be too far gone. There is a global pandemic which will likely kill millions and possibly tens of millions around the world, and what is going on in the US is the pointing of fingers and laying of blame rather than pulling together to minimize the loss of life.
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I agree that the Trump administration response to this has been objectively bad, and that no sane and objective person would look at this and think its reasonable to re-elect him, regardless of their political predispositions. But the problem is that many of the people who will vote for him are not sane, objective, or reasonable. They'll dismiss reality to hand-waive this away as a hoax, liberal plot, God's Plan, whatever - anything to clear the cognitive dissonance of voting for a man clearly unfit to hold the office.
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I like how you demonize everyone who disagrees with you. Dehumanizing your opponents is a tactic straight out of the Third Reich playbook. Well done.
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Still thinking that if any candidatebis gaining steam here, its over and over Bernie...

he is crazy yes and has no idea how to fund anything he says but almost all of his ideas seem appealing right now
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Still thinking that if any candidatebis gaining steam here, its over and over Bernie...

he is crazy yes and has no idea how to fund anything he says but almost all of his ideas seem appealing right now
His ideas are appealing like Santa Claus's ideas are appealing.
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Still thinking that if any candidatebis gaining steam here, its over and over Bernie...

he is crazy yes and has no idea how to fund anything he says but almost all of his ideas seem appealing right now
His ideas are appealing like Santa Claus's ideas are appealing.
most of his ideas are appealing... free shit for everyone... however no one has any idea about the reality of actually paying for them and how they could wreck the economy
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So the problem with your position and I agree with much of it but the "many of the people who will vote for him are not sane, objective, or reasonable." Many of the people who vote for him are sick of being called "deplorable" by liberal elites [...]

Trump is an ass, but the man could cure cancer and the MSM would report on how many diet cokes he drinks rather than give him any credit.[...]
Good job on pulling that out of context to make it seem far worse and further reaching than was intented. The language is very specifically confined to Trump's Coronavirus response by repeating the same phrase again as a rhetorical strategy echoing the first sentence where the context was defined.

There should be absolutely nobody who is okay with the job he's doing. To suggest he's doing a good job here would make you insane, non-objective, and unreasonable to an average person. Yesterday's press briefing predicted that social distancing with the half-baked response we've seen so far will result in 100k-240k dead Americans and he was patting himself on the back because that figure is better than the 1m-2.2m dead Americans we'd have likely seen if we had not engaged in social distancing for the sake of the economy like he wanted.

To put 100k in perspective, its about the same number as American soldiers that died in World War 1. If it had been 1-2.2 million, that's about the total number of US deaths from all wars we've ever fought going back to the founding of the country. That's staggering. Link to wiki on US casualties of war.

Edit: And yes, we absolutely should be pulling together and fighting this regardless of political predisposition. But that's not the topic we're discussing. The original post in this discussion asks very specifically for thoughts on how the management of this crisis so far should impact Trump's re-election chances.
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There should be absolutely nobody who is okay with the job he's doing. To suggest he's doing a good job here would make you insane, non-objective, and unreasonable to an average person. Yesterday's press briefing predicted that social distancing with the half-baked response we've seen so far will result in 100k-240k dead Americans and he was patting himself on the back because that figure is better than the 1m-2.2m dead Americans we'd have likely seen if we had not engaged in social distancing for the sake of the economy like he wanted. s.
You seem to be having a difficult time understanding what trumps team and other experts are saying. Oh wait you put in your own words to fit your narrative. And let m e guess you will never admit you are wrong.

As I have said there are some on here that I highly disagree with but they don't make up shit. Too bad I won't see your response.


Projections: 100,000 - 240,000 total deaths in the US from COVID-19 [video segment] (down from 1.5 - 2.2 million deaths without mitigation: social distancing, staying home, washing hands). But if guidelines are followed perfectly by everyone, then the numbers can be lower, or even significantly lower

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Good job on pulling that out of context to make it seem far worse and further reaching than was intented. The language is very specifically confined to Trump's Coronavirus response by repeating the same phrase again as a rhetorical strategy echoing the first sentence where the context was defined.

There should be absolutely nobody who is okay with the job he's doing. To suggest he's doing a good job here would make you insane, non-objective, and unreasonable to an average person. Yesterday's press briefing predicted that social distancing with the half-baked response we've seen so far will result in 100k-240k dead Americans and he was patting himself on the back because that figure is better than the 1m-2.2m dead Americans we'd have likely seen if we had not engaged in social distancing for the sake of the economy like he wanted.

To put 100k in perspective, its about the same number as American soldiers that died in World War 1. If it had been 1-2.2 million, that's about the total number of US deaths from all wars we've ever fought going back to the founding of the country. That's staggering. Link to wiki on US casualties of war.

Edit: And yes, we absolutely should be pulling together and fighting this regardless of political predisposition. But that's not the topic we're discussing. The original post in this discussion asks very specifically for thoughts on how the management of this crisis so far should impact Trump's re-election chances.
I didn't change the context at all, I responded to your post in what I felt was an honest and factual way. The folks that voted for him in the past for the reasons I stated with vote for him again for those same reasons. You might not agree with that but I believe it to be true. I haven't looked at his approval rating but I'd be willing to bet that it hasn't changed much and that would support my position.

I understand the casualty comparison as well, in WW1 61,000 and WW2 45,000 Canadians died and given the fact that Canada's population at the time was about 8 million vs the US population at the time of about 130 million, Canada paid a much much higher price. I'm not sure how that is relevant other than just giving perspective of the death toll that this Covid19 may have.

If you look at the infection rates which is a very difficult number to determine due to lack of testing in most countries compared to deaths the death rate is somewhere between .6% and 5-6%, which could be staggering.

Trump is an ass and I have always said that. All loss of life from this is tragic, but we all need to accept that there will be loss of life and looking at what's happening in parts of the US you folks should be praying his numbers are right.

Did he drop the ball on this, maybe. Has his messaging been shit, absolutely. But who is responsible for healthcare in the US, the feds or the individual state?

There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and the hunt for the guilty, but this isn't it frankly. The US needs to park the partisan politics right now and work the problem.

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During war-time all presidents have been re-elected.

One could also argue OP, that this virus is Trumps war.

Fundamentally speaking - are most citizens upset with how the virus is being handled by the Govt?

If the answer is "no" my bet is it actually helps him more than hurts him.

As I've already mentioned though - regardless - we should stay focused on unity not politics - and all take responsibility for how we can help Trump now.
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The country is taking a huge hit with this bug and the economy is not excluded and is getting hammered. Going into the fall it will still be lagging I think. I bet that most Americans know that Trump will get our economy out of the hole a hell of a lot quicker then Biden or any other dem who eventually takes the nomination.
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During war-time all presidents have been re-elected.

One could also argue OP, that this virus is Trumps war.

Fundamentally speaking - are most citizens upset with how the virus is being handled by the Govt?

If the answer is "no" my bet is it actually helps him more than hurts him.

As I've already mentioned though - regardless - we should stay focused on unity not politics - and all take responsibility for how we can help Trump now.
And then Adam Schiff announces he is going to start 9/11-type commission to investigate how Trump handled the pandemic.

The true definition of an asshole.
The alt right is circulating the anti-trump rumor about shiff.

Here's an article from a fairly non-biased source.


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...sion-to-review
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