Is the motor identical to the 35is motor?

[Pete_vB]

"There isn't another car I want to be my everyday companion in 2011 as much as the new 1-series M Coupe".
"I'm not sure I ever felt this way about my E92 M3".
"This car has immense real-world performance, in fact judged by that most important of criterion, Net Available Performance, I reckon it's as fast as an M3".
"Restored my faith in BMW M".

-Chris Harris, Evo Magazine

But what does he know?

I could care less what they call it- I'd probably badge delete anyway.

[spiderz17]

Naysayers are getting completely pwn'ed on this thread.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Technic

Do a search for BMW M Division and you will find out what the "core values" are.

I'm going to need a little help here. All I see is a wikipedia entry. Nothing from BMW or BMW M.

[M3 Adjuster]

[QUOTE=formula M;8561876]

Originally Posted by brizzom

I will say what many have been saying all along from the beginning..

1m = completely overhyped 135is

Well, that^.. would imply the same frame (unibody), steel

[SamS]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Well, that^.. would imply the same frame (unibody), steel

1M has a different frame? Sorry, you're losing me!

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by SamS

1M has a different frame? Sorry, you're losing me!

I think what "M3 Adjuster" meant was 1M widebody vs 135i standard body. Since the 1M body has been tweaked to handle better than the base 135i car.

[theblackangus]

Originally Posted by SamS

1M has a different frame? Sorry, you're losing me!

It has the M3 (shortened) frame doesn't it?
I somewhat confused about this myself, as the reading I did wasn't clear.
That's part of the reason its wider isn't it?

[Advevo]

I rather have a real racing engine to drive my fun car around. But since i have a GT3 for that purpose i don t care much what is M doing lately.

If i was in search for a racing car for the streets, which i could use a lot on track i would stay far away from turbo s.

Why do you think the porsche supercup has always been no turbo s. Because on track turbo cars will need more maintenace and will break down much easier.

The 1M is a nice sporty car to throw around in some corners. And when the snow comes down put some winter tires on and go hooligan with it. But when i go to the dry track i leave turbo cars at home.

This is from a guy who has raced cars almost all his life. Has had evo s, subaru s, M535i, e36 M3, 135i, 130i, e90 M3, E46 M3 competition, m3 CSL street cars and has raced lots of bmw and some porsches.

What do you guys think. That we will see the 1M turbo engine used random in al sort bmw cars for racing. I am walking 30 years on race tracks. All i can say is. I never have seen an engine which is used so much in all sort of bmw trackday/racecars and that is the S54 3.0 and 3.2 that engine is still used today build in 1 series race cars. If i would build a racecar of the 1M first thing i would do is get the turbo engine out and put the 3.2 M3 engine in.

All you people can say it s the package which is an M car. But this car just misses out on to be a real M or a cult car all because of it s engine.

This 1M coupe has the looks to be a cult car but it s engine could never gain the cult status of the 3.0 and 3.2 M3 engine.

Now imagine if the 1 M coupe had an cult engine like 3.2 M3 engine. It would be one of the greatest cult cars on the planet. But as always when you think something great happens there is always a could breeze comming in. And that cold breeze my friend is the engine that sits in the 1M coupe, which doesn t belong there to be a thru M car which could obtain cult status.

But it will sell

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

I think what "M3 Adjuster" meant was 1M widebody vs 135i standard body. Since the 1M body has been tweaked to handle better than the base 135i car.

Yeah, but "frame" shouldn't account for widebody? That's more suspension tweaks, as I understand.

Originally Posted by theblackangus

It has the M3 (shortened) frame doesn't it?
I somewhat confused about this myself, as the reading I did wasn't clear.
That's part of the reason its wider isn't it?

I don't think there's any relation between the M3 frame and the 1M frame. But certainly someone can set me straight! I only know what I read here (which is often a lot ).

[JimD]

What's easier, putting a M3 rear end complete with limited slip and a M3 front end under a 135i or chipping the engine? It seems to me that BMW did the hard part and all the 1M needs to be a faster track car than a e92 M3 is a chip. Stock it's faster than a e46.

Jim

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by brizzom

I will say what many have been saying all along from the beginning..

1m = completely overhyped 135is

Sadly agree. BMW needed to piegon hole the 1M with the x35is motor and no DCT option to keep clear of the M3.

[gstopyra]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Sadly agree. BMW needed to piegon hole the 1M with the x35is motor and no DCT option to keep clear of the M3.

1) A new motor and DCT would have driven the price too high, and taken too long to produce. Scott even said this was done with limited budget and time.

2) With a new S-whatever and DCT, would BMW set the bar so high (performance wise) that it would be tough to sell the future BMW M3?

Yes, it will sell, but people will not buy this car as a compromise. My 135i M-Sport was a compromise as I didn't want an E9x M3.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by Advevo

Why do you think the porsche supercup has always been no turbo s. Because on track turbo cars will need more maintenace and will break down much easier.

Uh... The Porsche Cup started with the 944 Turbo Cup back in the '80s. And what about turbo Porsches that in various forms dominated entrance racing for decades? Maybe try another example...

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by gstopyra

1) A new motor and DCT would have driven the price too high, and taken too long to produce. Scott even said this was done with limited budget and time.

2) With a new S-whatever and DCT, would BMW set the bar so high (performance wise) that it would be tough to sell the future BMW M3?

Yes, it will sell, but people will not buy this car as a compromise. My 135i M-Sport was a compromise as I didn't want an E9x M3.

DCT is an option, so the base price would be the same. Scott also stated that in addition the DCT is not offered to keep clear of current M3 performance. He stated this in the 3er forum.

2) Agree, and so the Fen 1er will be cursed with an I4 and M3 will get the I6

Since your daughter is so cute I suggest you get the Fer M2 so she has something nice to drive when she gets older.

[gstopyra]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

2) Agree, and so the Fen 1er will be cursed with an I4 and M3 will get the I6

Since your daughter is so cute I suggest you get the Fer M2 so she has something nice to drive when she gets older.

An I4 done the right way with the right chassis could be awesome.

re: daughters...you mean they don't stay this way forever!?!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by theblackangus

It has the M3 (shortened) frame doesn't it?
I somewhat confused about this myself, as the reading I did wasn't clear.
That's part of the reason its wider isn't it?

Sorry. This was an errant post from my iPhone app.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JimD

What's easier, putting a M3 rear end complete with limited slip and a M3 front end under a 135i or chipping the engine? It seems to me that BMW did the hard part and all the 1M needs to be a faster track car than a e92 M3 is a chip. Stock it's faster than a e46.

Jim

Agree 100% Here. The M3 rear subframe is in the 1M and maybe the front as well. This allows for the m3 suspension which increases track and then of course the wheels tires and m diff bolt up. Certainly designing an all new motor would have meant no 1M at all for the e82 chassis. Clearly though for anyone trying to say that the 1M should be an " is" package they clearly must not be understanding the changes that BMW M has made to the 1 to create this car.

Like the e36 m3, the 1m varies a little from the M car mold but in no way will that keep this car from being a classic once people begin to drive it.

I expect there will be many servings of humble pie, all because people are so quick to judge things over the internet. I have seen people complain about race track designs from seeing a course map, before the course is even dug, forget waiting to actually EXPERIENCE it lol.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Agree 100% Here. The M3 rear subframe is in the 1M and maybe the front as well. This allows for the m3 suspension which increases track and then of course the wheels tires and m diff bolt up. Certainly designing an all new motor would have meant no 1M at all for the e82 chassis. Clearly though for anyone trying to say that the 1M should be an " is" package they clearly must not be understanding the changes that BMW M has made to the 1 to create this car.

Like the e36 m3, the 1m varies a little from the M car mold but in no way will that keep this car from being a classic once people begin to drive it.

I expect there will be many servings of humble pie, all because people are so quick to judge things over the internet. I have seen people complain about race track designs from seeing a course map, before the course is even dug, forget waiting to actually EXPERIENCE it lol.

The argument is about the "IS" Engine. The chassis is perfect in my opinion and most would agree.

Since you mentioned the M-diff, I assume it will not fit the 135 if the 1M has the M3 rear sub-frame?

[Kurt_OH]

If BMW was going to keep the iS engine as-is, which is EXACTLY what they did, they absolutely intentionally hamstrung the 1M by excluding the DCT, since CLEARLY it was already tuned for this exact engine and similar weight in the Z4.

355hp + DCT would make this a GREAT car. A standard BMW engine + stick = fail on the powertrain.

I LOVE that they lifted the M3 suspension/diff, except they again screwed the pooch by putting the 3.15 diff vs. the higher numerical diff in the 1M.

This car could have been INCREDIBLE instead of sufficient. THAT's what stinks.

Add another 15-20hp, DCT and the higher rear gears and this thing is a ROCKET. It wouldn't just surpass the M3, it would CRUSH it, along with 911 and scare the crap out of 997.2S.

Damn.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

I LOVE that they lifted the M3 suspension/diff, except they again screwed the pooch by putting the 3.15 diff vs. the higher numerical diff in the 1M.
.... and the higher rear gears and this thing is a ROCKET. It wouldn't just surpass the M3, it would CRUSH it, along with 911 and scare the crap out of 997.2S.

Damn.

Are you trying to nail the coffin on the 1M? Is 3.15 ideal for track only or street/track? How did you come up with 3.15 being ideal?

It would be the final deal breaker if the 1M-diff was geared to keep clear of the M3.

[1M Fan]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

If BMW was going to keep the iS engine as-is, which is EXACTLY what they did, they absolutely intentionally hamstrung the 1M by excluding the DCT, since CLEARLY it was already tuned for this exact engine and similar weight in the Z4.

355hp + DCT would make this a GREAT car. A standard BMW engine + stick = fail on the powertrain.

I LOVE that they lifted the M3 suspension/diff, except they again screwed the pooch by putting the 3.15 diff vs. the higher numerical diff in the 1M.

This car could have been INCREDIBLE instead of sufficient. THAT's what stinks.

Add another 15-20hp, DCT and the higher rear gears and this thing is a ROCKET. It wouldn't just surpass the M3, it would CRUSH it, along with 911 and scare the crap out of 997.2S.

Damn.

I'm really, really happy they left the DCT out of the 1M. I've driven the M3 with it. It may be faster to 60, but IMO, it is very boring. It's like driving an automatic. I like the 6 speed because it is about driver involvement, not mashing the gas and praying the computer selects the gear you want or need. I now know why you don't see them around the autocross tracks.

Everybody raves about time to speed, but time to distance is the true measure of performance. I've yet to see 1/4 or 1/8 mile times on either transmission. How fast can these cars cover realestate from rest. It is not about drag racing. If it were, we'd see a Powerglide or TH400.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Are you trying to nail the coffin on the 1M? Is 3.15 ideal for track only or street/track? How did you come up with 3.15 being ideal?

It would be the final deal breaker if the 1M-diff was geared to keep clear of the M3.

I DON'T think the 3.15 is "ideal". I prefer the higher numerical ratio M3 gears.