3rd Brake Light - Question About Warranty

[cbl117]

My 3rd brake light lens is starting to crack and separate from the trunk lid. I've done some searching on here and it looks to be a common problem and there is a TSB on it too. That said, my OEM warranty has expired but I still have my CPO warranty.

Would the dealer cover this regardless of warranty status because of the TSB? Or is this covered under the CPO?

I'm planning to call my dealer in the AM, but I wanted to get educated on the subject in case they try to pull a fast one on me.

[DSSG]

You need to read what your CPO covers. Some CPOs extend the manufacturer's warranty. If so, you are covered.

[cbl117]

Its BMW's CPO warranty and it extends the manufacturer's warranty. I was looking for feedback from someone who had this happen while under CPO.

[DSSG]

TSB are covered under the maker's warranty. If the CPO extends the maker's warranty, you are covered.

[cwaldo]

I'm in the same boat and called them this morning. Mentioned the TSB and the issue being common. The rep said I would need to bring it in to determine if the warranty covers it. Appt is next Monday.

[dtwyim]

It comes back unless they do some metal work. I gave up on mine.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ighlight=4th+3

[Silenus]

Originally Posted by DSSG

TSB are covered under the maker's warranty. If the CPO extends the maker's warranty, you are covered.

That is definitely not true. There are several exclusions on Certified cars, including bulbs, batteries, interior noises, brake noises, water leaks, seals, so on and so forth...AND lenses and lense assemblies. TSBs don't mean a thing.

I would still give it a shot.

Here is an exclusion breakdown:


What is Not Covered?
The following items are not covered under the Certified Pre-Owned program for enrolled vehicles retailed
prior to 1/1/2014.
Vehicle Maintenance and Upkeep

• Adjustments
• Balancing or rotation (tires)
• Batteries (as a stand alone repair)
• Brake pads and rotors (discs), brake shoes and drums
• Engine drive belts
• Exhaust systems (including the catalytic converters)
• Filters
• Fluid replacement of a component by itself
• Fuses
• Maintenance services
• Manual and SMG transmission clutch assemblies
• Oils, lubricants, fluids, refrigerants and coolant (except as required in the course of performing a covered
repair)
• Rubber hoses and clamps (except for air conditioning and power steering)
• Spark plugs
• Strut elements/shock absorbers (dampers)
• Tires
• Wheel alignment
• Wiper blade inserts
Wear and Tear Only
• Ball joints
• Bushings
• Center tie rod
• Control arms and brackets
• Driveshaft flex disc (guibo coupling)
• Flywheel, ring gear and clutch disc contact area
• Idler and pitman arms
• Springs (sagging)
• Stabilizer bar links and supports
• Suspension bushings
• Tie rod ends and adjusting sleeves
• Trailing arms, wishbones and thrust struts
Note: The components listed above in the “Wear and Tear Only”section are covered for defects in
materials or workmanship.
Center Operations Manual
Warranty Guidelines
March 2014 Page 63 of 90 63
Operations Guidelines Inspection Guidelines Warranty Guidelines Forms

What is Not Covered?
The following items are not covered under the Certified Pre-Owned program for enrolled vehicles retailed
prior to 1/1/2014.
Body and Interior
• Air or water leaks
• Body and chassis (all, including gas pressurized springs/struts, latches, locks and windscreens)
• Body seals and gaskets
• Bulbs including Xenon and LEDs (instrumentation bulbs are covered)
• Carpeting
• Cupholders
• Damage due to rust, corrosion or contamination
• Door brakes and checks
• Floor and trunk mats
• Headlamp and headlamp assemblies (including electrical/electronic components)
• Headliner
• Lenses and lens assemblies (including electrical/electronic components)
• Mirrors and mirror assemblies (including electrical/electronic components)
• Mouldings and fasteners
• Paint
• Trim - interior and exterior (all, including the seatbelt extender arm and assembly, sunblinds
including the drive motors and sun visors)
• Wheels
• Wind or body noises
The following is not covered except as noted below:
• Convertible top (except for its electrical/electronic components)
• Door handles and carriers (except for the Comfort Access electrical/electronic components)
• Glass (except for the front rain sensor, the grid for the rear defroster/defogger and the remote control
transmitter antenna - door lock function)
• Upholstery (except for the seat heating elements and seat occupancy sensor mat)
Accessories (Standard and Optional)
• DVD players
• Navigation system
• Radio/CD/Multimedia/Cassette Player or Multi-CD changer
• Telephones and systems
• Any components of the systems noted above
• All non-original equipment parts, components and accessories

[cbl117]

Originally Posted by dtwyim

It comes back unless they do some metal work. I gave up on mine.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ighlight=4th+3

Originally Posted by Silenus

That is definitely not true. There are several exclusions on Certified cars, including bulbs, batteries, interior noises, brake noises, water leaks, seals, so on and so forth...AND lenses and lense assemblies. TSBs don't mean a thing.

I would still give it a shot.

Thank you both. I'll give them a call to see whats up tomorrow. How easy is it if I decide to buy the part and do it myself?

[DSSG]

NO warranty covers wear and tear which is what the two long lists above are mostly about.

A TSB or Technical Service Bulletins are recommended procedures for repairing vehicles. Not to be confused with recalls, a TSB is issued by a vehicle manufacturer when there are several occurrences of an unanticipated problem.

In general, they are a needed or necessary fix for a vehicle. You might consider it as something that should have been done when the car was built but was over looked. Now the maker wants to correct his mistake.

For example, my Mercedes recently went in to have some item installed to shield the wiring from an oil leak. In any case, if you have a car still under warranty, you should check the TSBs for it. You might be surprised what you'll find.

[cwaldo]

Having it replaced as 'goodwill'. All I'm paying is like $15.

[Horigan]

Once they replace it, I recommend you go in there and loosen the retention nuts a bit. They are held in with a nut on top of a spring. I found mine installed too tight and the springs were completely compressed, thus overloading the plastic lens. I don't think it takes much tension on the springs to keep the lens in place and still retain a good seal with the trunk.

[Silenus]

Originally Posted by cwaldo

Having it replaced as 'goodwill'. All I'm paying is like $15.

See, it doesn't hurt to try. So it wasn't covered, but your dealership is doing the good thing.

Originally Posted by Horigan

Once they replace it, I recommend you go in there and loosen the retention nuts a bit. They are held in with a nut on top of a spring. I found mine installed too tight and the springs were completely compressed, thus overloading the plastic lens. I don't think it takes much tension on the springs to keep the lens in place and still retain a good seal with the trunk.

How do you know his will be over-torqued!? FYI, they should be tightened inside outwards to 2.5nm. That's pretty darn light.

[cwaldo]

Turns out the warranty covered 95%. Thanks to my SA.

Shouldn't the updated torque spec be included in the TSB?

[Horigan]

I'm just sharing my experience where it was over-torqued and the springs were compressed to their stack height.

[cbl117]

So I called my dealer and they quoted me $350 to replace. I told them to get bent. I'll do it myself.

[cwaldo]

Originally Posted by cbl117

So I called my dealer and they quoted me $350 to replace. I told them to get bent. I'll do it myself.

Dang sorry to hear. I was a bit surprised when he told me he can try to work something out.

[cbl117]

Originally Posted by cwaldo

Dang sorry to hear. I was a bit surprised when he told me he can try to work something out.

Kudos to you sir. You got a steal of a deal.

[Esteban]

Mine has had a crack in it since I bought the car in October, 2010. Nothing's ever fallen out. Don't use my trunk that often. Like... NEVER! That's probably got something to do with it. You think?

[Ed P]

Anyone have a part number and/or link to buy one of these?

My son's 128i has this problem, and it's out of warranty, so we thought we'd see about doing it ourselves.

Thanks!

[cwaldo]

Originally Posted by Ed P

Anyone have a part number and/or link to buy one of these?

My son's 128i has this problem, and it's out of warranty, so we thought we'd see about doing it ourselves.

Thanks!

Not sure if it's the same for the 128.

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E82-135...ghts/ES207352/

[mr.fabulous]

Part 63257164978. GetBMWParts has it for $70. Get that and not some cheap knock-off.

http://www.getbmwparts.com/parts/ind...xt=63257164978

[Ed P]

Thanks guys!