135i Drift? I know open OEM dif not ideal..but..

MarkRacerX · 07-29-2011, 04:42 PM

My local track has an open Drift Session one at a time and on an infield so no walls to hit or anything, I was thinking of going for only $35 5pm-10pm why not..I do know LSD is ideal to carry long drifts, anyone play around w/ drifting the stock 135i? I have only done 3 Autocross events so far in it, so def be something new to me to see how it does

I def want an LSD and Cobb AP for next mods, 1 tire fire is no fun

I can't imagine w/ a tune how much more it lights up the tire..

Any input appreciated, this isn't even a competition, it is just for fun to get people out and spark interest so most are just street cars not like full on Drift event w/ race cars. I have learned one thing, 50psi in the rear sure loosens things up for sideways action !!

Thanks!

alexc93 · 08-02-2011, 10:30 AM

its do-able.

GaryS · 08-02-2011, 10:49 AM

I have a limited slip diff, but I've watched a friend hang the back end out pretty dramatically around a skid pad with stock diff. So it definitely can be done.

and 1 · 08-02-2011, 12:09 PM

i can get the back end out at autocross, but i need to force it out there and it's not always smooth or predictable

you could make it work with an open diff, but it wouldn't be nearly as good/cool/fun/easy/safe as with an LSD. save up and get the right tool for the job. or just start selling coke

BrokenVert · 08-02-2011, 12:16 PM

Its really jerky. Ive done it in long sweepers at autox also. Its constantly trying to straighten out but once you learn the rhythm youll be able to nail the drift

tcd223 · 08-02-2011, 02:04 PM

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...26&postcount=1

Not stock, but no LSD.

Top Gon · 08-02-2011, 02:08 PM

Yeah, it is quite jerky, especially on sticky tires. The short wheelbase doesn't help either, it makes it a little unpredictable. It seems to be easier on a 3-series

Focusedintntions · 08-02-2011, 02:09 PM

doing it w/o an lsd will also eat up your rear brake pads b/c of the elsd trying to work...

dicker · 08-21-2011, 04:02 PM

I find that the hardest part with the open diff is transitioning, but for $35 go have fun,just don't expect to kick ass.

Dackelone · 08-21-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Focusedintntions

doing it w/o an lsd will also eat up your rear brake pads b/c of the elsd trying to work...

Unless you turn the DSC completely off! Then no e_diff!

Focusedintntions · 08-22-2011, 08:56 AM

I thought the Ediff was always on even if you turn everything off...

BrokenVert · 08-22-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Focusedintntions

I thought the Ediff was always on even if you turn everything off...

Yeah it is.

135nRXP · 08-23-2011, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Focusedintntions

I thought the Ediff was always on even if you turn everything off...

Yeah supposedly the DSC software was updated in March of 2008 to simulate the mechanical LSD when the DSC/DTC are switched completely off.

Wings0fRed · 09-28-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

Unless you turn the DSC completely off! Then no e_diff!

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ial_brake.html

I believe this is saying it's always on

BrokenVert · 09-29-2011, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wings0fRed

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ial_brake.html

I believe this is saying it's always on

It is always on...no matter what.

Which has always begged the question, does it stay on even if you instal a real LSD?

RimasRS · 09-29-2011, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

It is always on...no matter what.

Which has always begged the question, does it stay on even if you instal a real LSD?

I believe it is...

Wings0fRed · 09-29-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

It is always on...no matter what.

Which has always begged the question, does it stay on even if you instal a real LSD?

It would unless you adjust the software, I think...but then again with a mechanical LSD the conditions might not ever be met to engage the eLSD so it might be a moot point.

GaryS · 09-29-2011, 09:59 AM

I have a Wavetrac. My understanding is that it generally prevents wheel spin, which prevents the e-diff from actuating. The best I can say is that with DSC off on track or on a wet skidpad, I never see any DSC lights flashing on my dashboard and never feel any rear wheel braking. But I'm far from an expert driver, so it might be doing something without me noticing.

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GaryS Colonel 37 Rep 2,084 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 6MT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [6.50]	I have a limited slip diff, but I've watched a friend hang the back end out pretty dramatically around a skid pad with stock diff. So it definitely can be done.
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BrokenVert Resident Kerbalnaut 477 Rep 10,703 Posts Drives: Topless Brute/Hybrid Boogaloo Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fahrvergnügen/NY iTrader: (0)	Its really jerky. Ive done it in long sweepers at autox also. Its constantly trying to straighten out but once you learn the rhythm youll be able to nail the drift __________________
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Top Gon Bashar 412 Rep 1,120 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW Z4 M40i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (4)	Yeah, it is quite jerky, especially on sticky tires. The short wheelbase doesn't help either, it makes it a little unpredictable. It seems to be easier on a 3-series
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Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	doing it w/o an lsd will also eat up your rear brake pads b/c of the elsd trying to work... __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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dicker Captain 69 Rep 847 Posts Drives: F80 6MT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (8)	I find that the hardest part with the open diff is transitioning, but for $35 go have fun,just don't expect to kick ass.
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Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	I thought the Ediff was always on even if you turn everything off... __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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GaryS Colonel 37 Rep 2,084 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 6MT Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 135i [6.50]	I have a Wavetrac. My understanding is that it generally prevents wheel spin, which prevents the e-diff from actuating. The best I can say is that with DSC off on track or on a wet skidpad, I never see any DSC lights flashing on my dashboard and never feel any rear wheel braking. But I'm far from an expert driver, so it might be doing something without me noticing.
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