Canadian Prices

[Brandon26pdx]

It is pretty much a load of crap how much higher they mark up Canadian cars, especially considering the currencies are darn near equal, with even a slight edge toward the Canadian curency. (US is going into the crapper at an alarming rate...)

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Road Runner

Never noticed this on the BMW website...

Q:
Why do BMW models appear to be less expensive in the U.S.?
A:
While on the surface a U.S. vehicle may appear to be less expensive, there are several other factors that would significantly increase the cost of purchasing and owning a U.S. vehicle.
These include:

• Features - Canadian and U.S. vehicles generally have different standard equipment levels; as a result, the base MSRP is not an accurate indicator of the actual price difference. For instance, on the BMW 335i Cabriolet, the U.S. model includes Tire Pressure Monitor (approximate value of $350) as standard equipment on top of the base model. However, additional standard equipment on the Canadian model includes heated seats, lumbar support, auto-dimming interior and exterior mirrors, electric compass, universal garage door opener, through load with transport bag and Park Distance Control. Combined, all of the Canadian equipment would have a value of approximately $2,400, significantly reducing the price advantage of the U.S. model.

Another benefit BMW Canada offers for keeping Canadian prices 20 - 30% above U.S. prices is that reducing new car prices would drop the value of all Canadian used BMWs proportionately.
To test that hypothesis I went to the VMR Canada and VMR USA websites for the black book value of used vehicles and entered my 2003 Z4 and guess what???
The used car value quoted on the Canadian site was only $1500 higher (equal to 7%) than on the U.S. site..
In fact, given today's actual exchange rate ($C1 = $1.06 USD) the used car values are almost equal on both sides of the border...:eyebulge:
So what we're getting from BMW Canada in this regard is absolute 100% pure unadulterated horseshit..
As much as I like BMWs and would love to get the 1er, I will pass on it unless the pricing gap closes significantly:frown:
I apologize for the rant, but I hate being played for a sucker.

[damnre]

There is a guy on bimmerfest that said the price in Canada will be 45k...
If that is the case then bmw Canada won't make any money on the 135i this year.

45,000.00 CAD

=

48,659.13 USD

Canada Dollars United States Dollars 1 CAD = 1.08131 USD 1 USD = 0.924801 CAD

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by damnre

There is a guy on bimmerfest that said the price in Canada will be 45k...
If that is the case then bmw Canada won't make any money on the 135i this year.

45,000.00 CAD

=

48,659.13 USD

Canada Dollars United States Dollars 1 CAD = 1.08131 USD 1 USD = 0.924801 CAD

That would make it $13K more than the U.S. pricing and if that is the case, I'll be buying mine Stateside (through my son who live in California)...

[Chap]

From this article and the post at bimmerfest it seems that the 135 will start above 40k. http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...08_1series.htm

Although prices are yet to be announced, I will be very disappointed if our price is greater than 2k over US MSRP.

[123d]

^^ Prepare to be disappointed.

[Devon K]

BMW's tired old arguments about keeping up resale prices and lease buyout levels doesn't even apply with the 1-series models as these are brand new models to the NA market and so there are no resales/buyouts to be impacted.

[Road Runner]

Originally Posted by Chap

From this article and the post at bimmerfest it seems that the 135 will start above 40k. http://www.canadiandriver.com/articl...08_1series.htm

Although prices are yet to be announced, I will be very disappointed if our price is greater than 2k over US MSRP.

$2k would barely cover import differences in duties, prepare for closer to $4k-$7k over

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Road Runner

$2k would barely cover import differences in duties, prepare for closer to $4k-$7k over

Nov 7th, 2007: $1 Cdn = $1.10 USD

I've seen estimates for Cdn MSRP for the 135i as high as $44.9K Cdn.
If that becomes the case that would make the Canadian 135i MSRP GT $49K in USD terms (and that is before taxes).
And that is approx $14K more than what you would pay south of the border (assuming a U.S. 135i MSRP of $35K USD)..
How much diff would there need to be before there is sufficient financial incentive for some Canadians (myself included) to get of their butts and bring cars over the border.
I've been reading up on the process and it ain't that difficult or expensive or involved.
Yes there is a few fees and a 6.5% duty, but don't forget that the PST & GST you're paying is on a much smaller amout (the U.S. price), so what you lose on the tatters, you make up for on the corn...
Anyway, BMW Canada have some pretty sharp people and I'm pretty certain they'll make sure that the delta is sufficiently reasonable as to not make it worth our while to get our puppies stateside.

[damnre]

the only problem with buying in the states is that you have to have the amount of money, you can't finance...but the price is always better and will always be!
I think hope i may be wrong!

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by damnre

the only problem with buying in the states is that you have to have the amount of money, you can't finance...but the price is always better and will always be!
I think hope i may be wrong!

BMW USA will not finance you neither will your bank. In the words of Dave Ramsey, 'if you have to finance, you cant afford it'. Unfortunately most of us dont have 40k laying around.

Just get a credit line from your bank at prime, buy the car, and pay back the credit line ASAP.

[Chap]

Unfortunately, you cannot buy a brand new BMW in the states. Depending on the price difference, I might just end up getting a 330 performance package from the states.

[MrRoboto]

Damn manufactures.

One of our USA friends should buy a bunch of 135s and sell them to us.

[bimmerfile]

My son lives in California, so getting him to buy one and sell it to me as a used vehicle is no problem.
I always pay cash for my cars, so financing is never an issue.
BTW, there's nothing that prevents you from buying a year old whatever (SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, etc.) stateside at huge saving vis-a-vis Cdn pricing.
I didn't mind paying 30% more Cdn dollars back in 2002 when our dollar was 40% lower than the USD, but why I'd have to pay 25% more than the Yanks at a time when our loonie is worth 10% more than the USD defies logic..
The auto-pack and free trade doesn't only apply to, and for the benefit of, corporations and American citizens - it applies to us (canucks) as well.
And yes, the loonie has also appreciated 20% against the Euro, so the argument that BMW are Euro based doesn't cut it for me.
But there may be enough sheeple in Canada that'll drop trou and take it from the car companies to keep them from getting real.
I hope not cause I rather buy local, but I'm making my plan B.

[Khobin~]

Originally Posted by carnut

My son lives in California, so getting him to buy one and sell it to me as a used vehicle is no problem.
I always pay cash for my cars, so financing is never an issue.
BTW, there's nothing that prevents you from buying a year old whatever (SLK, Z4, TT, Boxster, etc.) stateside at huge saving vis-a-vis Cdn pricing.
I didn't mind paying 30% more Cdn dollars back in 2002 when our dollar was 40% lower than the USD, but why I'd have to pay 25% more than the Yanks at a time when our loonie is worth 10% more than the USD defies logic..
The auto-pack and free trade doesn't only apply to, and for the benefit of, corporations and American citizens - it applies to us (canucks) as well.
And yes, the loonie has also appreciated 20% against the Euro, so the argument that BMW are Euro based doesn't cut it for me.
But there may be enough sheeple in Canada that'll drop trou and take it from the car companies to keep them from getting real.
I hope not cause I rather buy local, but I'm making my plan B.

That and if was really about Euro's, then in the states it'd be a $50 k car, not $35 ...:eyebulge:

The next few months could certainly be interested if some companies actually start adjusting for the dollar while others don't...:drinking:

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Khobin~

That and if was really about Euro's, then in the states it'd be a $50 k car, not $35 ...:eyebulge:

The next few months could certainly be interested if some companies actually start adjusting for the dollar while others don't...:drinking:

Agreed.
BTW, when you go in to negotiate your price, don't forget to take a nut cracker. :biggrin:

[YYZATC]

Talked to the Sales Manager at Parkview in Toronto today and he stated that they expect the 128i to come in around 31-32k and the 135i from 38-39k. Take that for what it is worth but it would be nice.

I put my deposit down back in July and secured the 2nd spot, now the list is around 30.

[Road Runner]

Originally Posted by YYZATC

Talked to the Sales Manager at Parkview in Toronto today and he stated that they expect the 128i to come in around 31-32k and the 135i from 38-39k. Take that for what it is worth but it would be nice.

I put my deposit down back in July and secured the 2nd spot, now the list is around 30.

Sweet, I hope he's right, I could live with payin $38k-$39k if the US pricing comes in at $35k. But still, hope for the best plan for the worst I guess.

[inTgr8r]

From 38-39 means $43.
We all know they don't bring in many base Bimmers

[bimmernotbeamer]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

From 38-39 means $43.
We all know they don't bring in many base Bimmers

But you could always order one from the factory to your spec.

[avonord]

Now that U.S. pricing sheet is out? When can we expect the Cdn pricing??

[bimmerfile]

The MSRPs of the Canadian 135i and 128i Coupes will be approx (e.g. within spitting distance) of $43,500 and $34,500 respectively..
And you can take that to the bank..