Price Point if the M1 / 1M / SS materializes??

[amdmaxx]

supersports - 320hp/330 torque, upgraded suspension - my guess will start with $40,000 (M-Sport type seats included and unique forged wheels probably).
All other options similar to existing 1 series (some of which are ridiculous, $400 for ipod adapter, bluetooth cost extra, smart phone integration - extra, etc,e tc). BMW should make a system as least as good as Ford's Sync and price it reasonably..
next gen - Full on 1M - probably $46k start, but will a pedigree of E30/E36 hopefully.. Super-light, super fast, super handling (or so we would hope).

Originally Posted by BForbes

We cant forget that there will be a SuperSports for this generation and an alleged M1 for the next. Two totally different price points. Fun Stuff! :-D

[05C4R]

it will cost double whatever it is in the US for australians, around $110,000 AUD + options like floor mats for $4000, we truly get reemed in oz. and then bmw may never make a right hand drive version.

[ORIGIN M.]

Tri-Turbo

[francoamerican]

Originally Posted by ptack

Don't hold your breath. IF one is ever produced it will be after the next gen M3 is out and priced well north of the uber-1.

A base S4 is 46,000. If a 1 M starts much higher than that, it going to have to be pretty insanely quick.

The M coupe was 50K. A cayman is 50K. This is going to be essentially a compact car so if they make it truly magical I'm thinking high 40s at which point it will need to really approach the 55K M3 experience.

I'm guessing $42,999, 340hp .

FA

[ptack]

Originally Posted by francoamerican

A base S4 is 46,000. If a 1 M starts much higher than that, it going to have to be pretty insanely quick.

The M coupe was 50K. A cayman is 50K. This is going to be essentially a compact car so if they make it truly magical I'm thinking high 40s at which point it will need to really approach the 55K M3 experience.

I'm guessing $42,999, 340hp .

FA

An uber-1 would equal or out perform the current M3. BMW is not dumb enough to under price itself. Only after a new M3 has raised the bar will BMW let us have E92 M3 performance at a discount.

[francoamerican]

Originally Posted by ptack

An uber-1 would equal or out perform the current M3. BMW is not dumb enough to under price itself. Only after a new M3 has raised the bar will BMW let us have E92 M3 performance at a discount.

Interesting thoughts. I do recall affordabilty in some Segler article coming up. I don't think any BMW 6 cyl is going to beat an e92 m3.

It's good fun to think about!

[amdmaxx]

the bar aint being raised.. More torque on the way and more tuning for M3 (Turbo 6)... But stock, I dont see much more hp than current 414, if any...
better fuel economy too.

Originally Posted by ptack

An uber-1 would equal or out perform the current M3. BMW is not dumb enough to under price itself. Only after a new M3 has raised the bar will BMW let us have E92 M3 performance at a discount.

[Midgad]

think the extra 15-20k will get rid of the hpfp issue?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Midgad

think the extra 15-20k will get rid of the hpfp issue?

Step into a full loaded 335 or 535 and you will find out.

[BrokenVert]

Im honstly thinking that it will be somewhere around 48K base.

Im basing this off of the price difference between a 335i vert and an M3 coupe.

[BBK]

Originally Posted by beemer

it will cost double whatever it is in the US for australians, around $110,000 AUD + options like floor mats for $4000, we truly get reemed in oz. and then bmw may never make a right hand drive version.

Agreed, I am guessing it would be around $115,000 AUD

[Brix]

For the first generation 1er. Maybe we'll a 1series tii or SuperSport for about 45k with all the performance goodies on it instead of 135 stock parts. I kinda doubt this will happen though.

I wouldn't buy this car so its not something I really care about, but I think it would be good for the 1series image. It would make the one look more badass and aggressive. Almost making it a legit all-around porsche cayman competitor.

Most definitely we'll see a second generation 1er, Likely named the 1M and it will cost 45k It will probably have unique fenders and body panels. Should weigh about 3000 pounds with a turbo 4 cylinder making 300hp.

[RPM90]

BMW should first fix the 1 series suspension at it's price point.
I won't spend extra to get a 1 series with a proper suspension.

As it is now the 135i is an excellent automobile except for it's decent but not great suspension. 300/300 are excellent numbers for a car of this size.
BMW should work on lowering the weight in general to help with fuel economy, and by lowering weight handling will improve naturally.

An M version? I don't know really think it's needed, and if BMW does do it, it'll be a low volume seller. So in that case, hell throw the kitchen sink at it. It'll be cool to read about and those that really want something like it can spend $50k+ for one.

[amdmaxx]

Why do you think 1M will be a low volume seller? I think otherwise. It will be cheaper than M3/M5/M6 and have excellent performance and probably better handling (it will be lighter).
More people will be able to afford 1M.. personally M3 is out of my $$$, 1M is doable with proper dieting and cost cutting.

[BrokenVert]

The 1M should be an M Coupe replacement. Raw, slightly harsh, but an amazing drive, like how the early M3s were.

The current M3 has become a fast GT car more than the true blood sports car that it used to be.

This way, they will appeal to two different market segemnts. This will also make the 1M a niche car...but hey, the 135i is already a niche car in the US, so who cares?

[francoamerican]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

The 1M should be an M Coupe replacement. Raw, slightly harsh, but an amazing drive, like how the early M3s were.

The current M3 has become a fast GT car more than the true blood sports car that it used to be.

This way, they will appeal to two different market segemnts. This will also make the 1M a niche car...but hey, the 135i is already a niche car in the US, so who cares?

I think the niche issue on the 135 has to do with people laying down big bucks to drive what's perceived as the bottom of the range. (1 series in general)

I see many many Nissan Zs which would offer similar comfort levels to what a 1M might have.

Slap an M badge on the 135i (even "as is" just about) start at 43k and suddenly it's perceived as legit. You might capture market from STI buyers, boxter buyers, evo buyers, z buyers, tts, a3 and a4 buyers. People might need to stretch A bit but a 1m will hold it's value better than a 40k small Japanese sports car and will offer more bang for the buck than any Audi.

[Yvette]

my guess if it ever comes out, same price around 335xi coupe

[BMW269]

I just want to clear a point: BMW said there will be an M version of the 1 Series, so let us call it "M1". It will have a 4 cylinder turbo engine around 300 hp to compete against S3/RS3, Evo, Sti Wrx, and such. It will not have any 6 cylinders because the next 1 Series generation will not have any. If you look at the cars of this class now, the 1 Series is the only one to have 6. But know we are talking about the actual generation. The 1 Series Hatch will soon be remplaced, and in order to keep up the sales of the 1 Series Coupé and Convert BMW decided to bring an "M1" on the actual model (only Coupé) on not wait for the next generation where there will be an "M1" as Hatch, Coupé, Convert and GT. The perpous of "M1" is to have an entry model to M World, so that more poeple could afford an M. And I am the person that is really interested in such a model as I am 20 years old (it does not mean an eldery person would not like such a car).
Now we have the 135i, 1 Séries Coupé (E82):
135i costs here in France 44.200 € (in Germany 40.100 €). It has M Suspension (its called so) standard. BMW also proposes Performance parts. The usfull ones are ecu upgrad (326 hp), brakes, exhaust, suspension and short-shifter kit. All other parts are purely esthetic. Maybe only the performance seats may lighten the car. It really looks like BMW 135i Tii. So what is the perpous of "M1"?
I'll take the german prices for you to see:
135i (standard): 40.100 €
135i M package: 40.800 €
135i Performance package (suspension, body, brakes, ssk, seats, power kit): about 56.000 €.
So 16.000 € more an it is not all. The price for a fully loaded 135i wtih all performance parts can go over 65.000 €, and even more if you ask BMW do for you full interior of Alcantara. For this price you can get an M3. I think BMW will not make for any "M1" based on the 135i but rather an "M1 CSL" only. Why? I think it will be a radical 135i, with the only option available Radio and Klima. Maybe a choice between rear seats and roll cage. The car should cost about between 50.000 and 55.000 €, so less than a fully loaded 135i Performance. But this "M1" will be slightly faster than an M3, yet it will not take the sales from the M3 away, because it will be less luxurous and realy more track orientated. Taking and "M1 CSL" would having an uncomfortable M3, and I do not think anybody want's that, if not he would take a Porsche Cayman. Why did BMW call the new radical M3, GTS and not CSL? Maybe because of the coming "M1 CSL". Yet I take about the actual generation, it would not make any sense for the next generation 1 Series to have L6 Turbo as the next M3 F30 it going to have "this" engine, so on the next "M1" they will put L4 Turbo.
I am looking to buy an new car, actually my real first new car which will really be mine. So am in France, and in Europe we do not have the same standards as in America, here we drive many small cars. For now I think about buying a new car, and it will be the new VW Polo instead a the BMW 120d Hatch, because I look forward on getting the new BMW "M1 CSL". I think it will cost about 50.000 €, and I want to be the first to get it, and so have fun around the track that is just 15 km far from wear I live. (I live in France at the boarder of Germany, in Alsace, and the track is called "Anneau du Rhin")

[francoamerican]

Pricing

‘If you look at M3 and 135i, there’s a lot of space for pricing. We’re thinking about half way between them.’

36K+56K/2=46K.

And based on the article this is going to be a substantial vehicle:

"heavily-tweaked version of the 135i’s twin-turbo straight-six producing around 400bhp and 370lb ft of torque. This will be mated to the new seven-speed double-clutch gearbox and is likely to drive the rear wheels through the M3’s trick differential."

"M3’s complete suspension, while to further boost its cred the engineers are working to remove 70kg from the 135i’s pudgy 1485kg kerb weight."

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/24...he_bmw_m1.html

I'm so excited for the possibility of this!

[JN2009]

Why not M2 OR MTT ?? they have M3 ,M5,M6 ... M2 will complet the list

M2,M3,M5,M6

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by JN2009

Why not M2 OR MTT ?? they have M3 ,M5,M6 ... M2 will complet the list

M2,M3,M5,M6

Because it's based of the 1 Series. An M3 is an M version of the 3 Series, as is the M5 and M6. Why would you call a 1 Series M car anything but an M1? It's the only thing that makes any sense.

[JN2009]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Because it's based of the 1 Series. An M3 is an M version of the 3 Series, as is the M5 and M6. Why would you call a 1 Series M car anything but an M1? It's the only thing that makes any sense.

Oh you right ! In this case the can write like that
We only supose lol.But
135i
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