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      06-07-2018, 10:40 PM   #45
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It wasn't several months, and I'm not sure where you are coming up with this. As a M2 buyer who waited one year to get his at sticker, I can tell you, supply did not catch up with demand until late 2017/early 2018 - for a car that started production in early 2016.

hop over to the M2 board and spend some time there.
In the NYC area there have been no issues with M2 supply for a significant amount of time...at least over a year. I've seen it myself, in person, at multiple dealers. I feel the M2C will be the same. constricted supply in the beginning; oversupply with discounts towards the end. Typical life cycle for most M cars, actually...
Look, I'll be straight with you, you are wrong. That was not the case. Any car "sitting around" had $10k with of CF add ons and a nice mark up.

Head on over to the M2 board and post your belief there. Will be interesting to see what real owners have to say. I suspect most will find your post humorous. Go for it. Dare ya
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It wasn't several months, and I'm not sure where you are coming up with this. As a M2 buyer who waited one year to get his at sticker, I can tell you, supply did not catch up with demand until late 2017/early 2018 - for a car that started production in early 2016.

hop over to the M2 board and spend some time there.
In the NYC area there have been no issues with M2 supply for a significant amount of time...at least over a year. I've seen it myself, in person, at multiple dealers. I feel the M2C will be the same. constricted supply in the beginning; oversupply with discounts towards the end. Typical life cycle for most M cars, actually...
Look, I'll be straight with you, you are wrong. That was not the case. Any car "sitting around" had $10k with of CF add ons and a nice mark up.

Head on over to the M2 board and post your belief there. Will be interesting to see what real owners have to say. I suspect most will find your post humorous. Go for it. Dare ya
(A) I am absolutely correct in what I've seen and (B) I don't care enough about the M2 to visit the M2 forum *shrugs*
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.

Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.

Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.

Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
Not sure where you're located but I haven't noticed that here. There were always optioned and base cars in abundance over the past year. Currently there are more than 300 new and in stock M2s available across the country (on autotrader); many can be negotiated at under invoice pricing. The market for cars like the M2 is relatively small and BMW produced plenty of them in the past year...as production increased throughout 2017 so did supply.

All of this is besides the point though as All I'm really saying is that the M2C should be available pretty easily after the first few months. It's not a limited car it's the new 'base' M2. I think the name alludes to it being a special or limited edition but it's really just a new name for the M2 with the S55. Either way I hope it's a fun car for those who buy one. The N55 M2 was a good car...
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I'm in Florida.

Currently you might see them. But for owners like me, who were after them since mid 2016 up until late last year it was still a bitch to get one.

Now you can find some used one on the market and also at dealers. My local dealer has a used Mineral Gray on the lot right now.
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Personally it doesn't excite me very much. Just a heavier, weirder sounding version of a pretty decent car but lacking emotion. To me the M2 didn't need more power; it needed more feel and directness like the 1M. instead they've added weight and more HP; *shrugs*

I don't believe BMW switched to the S55 in the M2 just to add power. My understanding was that the N55 would no longer meet new emissions regulations, so they had no choice but to move to a different engine.
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.

Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
Not sure where you're located but I haven't noticed that here. There were always optioned and base cars in abundance over the past year. Currently there are more than 300 new and in stock M2s available across the country (on autotrader); many can be negotiated at under invoice pricing. The market for cars like the M2 is relatively small and BMW produced plenty of them in the past year...as production increased throughout 2017 so did supply.

All of this is besides the point though as All I'm really saying is that the M2C should be available pretty easily after the first few months. It's not a limited car it's the new 'base' M2. I think the name alludes to it being a special or limited edition but it's really just a new name for the M2 with the S55. Either way I hope it's a fun car for those who buy one. The N55 M2 was a good car...
@doug_999 is simply saying you are wrong.

I agree as well.

It's also clear that you aren't willing to accept the truth which has been documented by buyers in the M2 section over the last two years since February 2016 when the M2 was introduced.

Except apparently in your area , where the M2 was available something like 6 months after it began being produced.

If that's the case then indeed, your area will be flush with M2 competitions by Christmas , while the rest of the United States will take about another year longer probably to get to that point.

If I am looking for an M2 Comp well under list price though, I'll be giving you a ring and I'll expect the name of a dealer and a sales person that can back up your bluster.
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Up until a couple months I still knew of people waiting to get a current M2 at MSRP.

Every M2 just sitting at a dealer was either loaded with M Performance parts or was used not new.
Not sure where you're located but I haven't noticed that here. There were always optioned and base cars in abundance over the past year. Currently there are more than 300 new and in stock M2s available across the country (on autotrader); many can be negotiated at under invoice pricing. The market for cars like the M2 is relatively small and BMW produced plenty of them in the past year...as production increased throughout 2017 so did supply.

All of this is besides the point though as All I'm really saying is that the M2C should be available pretty easily after the first few months. It's not a limited car it's the new 'base' M2. I think the name alludes to it being a special or limited edition but it's really just a new name for the M2 with the S55. Either way I hope it's a fun car for those who buy one. The N55 M2 was a good car...
@doug_999 is simply saying you are wrong.

I agree as well.

It's also clear that you aren't willing to accept the truth which has been documented by buyers in the M2 section over the last two years since February 2016 when the M2 was introduced.

Except apparently in your area , where the M2 was available something like 6 months after it began being produced.

If that's the case then indeed, your area will be flush with M2 competitions by Christmas , while the rest of the United States will take about another year longer probably to get to that point.

If I am looking for an M2 Comp well under list price though, I'll be giving you a ring and I'll expect the name of a dealer and a sales person that can back up your bluster.
Might be the area then.

When were the first M2's delivered in your area?

Earliest my local dealer delivered was May 2016 and my second dealer was July 2016.

I can give you their numbers.. I am sure they will back up my "bluster"

Why is everyone on this board is so edgy lately?

Ever since this M2 Competition has been announced everyone has their panties in a fucking bunch..
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I really like how the M2 looks from the front, especially at certain angles when you see those rear hips flare out.

The rear end is what i really...can not take in. Competition or not, it looks too wide for my taste.

I am considering a M2 for my next car, all the teams i have visited at Nürburgring are recommending them instead of the 1M for an "everyday car", no tuning issues, no heating issues "get in and drive" but too many driver aids if you ask me.

However, there is a rumor that BMW sent out an internal memo, requesting that dealerships to cut open oil filters on the M2, M3 and M4 during oil changes and inspect for metal particles. Apparently there MAYBE the classic M rod bearing issues, as far as i know no solid proof of such a case, but everyone is on their toes checking.
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Regarding M2 supply, there are several of them sitting at my local dealership in Northern Va waiting for a home. No M2C in sight on the lot. I take it you could get a pretty good deal on a 2018 M2 if your in the market.....however, my guess is most enthusiasts will rather go the M2C route unless you're getting such an incredible deal on the 2018 M2.
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Regarding M2 supply, there are several of them sitting at my local dealership in Northern Va waiting for a home. No M2C in sight on the lot. I take it you could get a pretty good deal on a 2018 M2 if your in the market.....however, my guess is most enthusiasts will rather go the M2C route unless you're getting such an incredible deal on the 2018 M2.
There are loads of unsold M2s. They're just sitting around at 10% discounts....still not getting sold. Lol. The M2C will be the same in a year or two...
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The lowest priced used M2s are at $42k now. When they hit $25k I'm going to buy one as a beater...for real.
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I really like how the M2 looks from the front, especially at certain angles when you see those rear hips flare out.

The rear end is what i really...can not take in. Competition or not, it looks too wide for my taste.

I am considering a M2 for my next car, all the teams i have visited at Nürburgring are recommending them instead of the 1M for an "everyday car", no tuning issues, no heating issues "get in and drive" but too many driver aids if you ask me.

However, there is a rumor that BMW sent out an internal memo, requesting that dealerships to cut open oil filters on the M2, M3 and M4 during oil changes and inspect for metal particles. Apparently there MAYBE the classic M rod bearing issues, as far as i know no solid proof of such a case, but everyone is on their toes checking.
I drove mine, and I drove it hard. Every single time I pulled from the garage the car was put thru it's paces. 16k miles in the almost two years I owned. Did three Blackstone reports and everything came back great. The N55 has been solid for some time now. But you never know.

You can find an M2 now at good prices but they are still up there. It is a great car for daily and weekend fun if you are looking to have a capable weekend track car in your daily I mean.
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I really like how the M2 looks from the front, especially at certain angles when you see those rear hips flare out.

The rear end is what i really...can not take in. Competition or not, it looks too wide for my taste.

I am considering a M2 for my next car, all the teams i have visited at Nürburgring are recommending them instead of the 1M for an "everyday car", no tuning issues, no heating issues "get in and drive" but too many driver aids if you ask me.

However, there is a rumor that BMW sent out an internal memo, requesting that dealerships to cut open oil filters on the M2, M3 and M4 during oil changes and inspect for metal particles. Apparently there MAYBE the classic M rod bearing issues, as far as i know no solid proof of such a case, but everyone is on their toes checking.
Those teams are definitely correct and on point. Including Schirmer too I suppose? It's simply in another league for a dual-purpose car. The F chassis also seems to get away with less front camber. You need to get as much as you can on the E series and the common ones top out around -3 is not really enough.

The differential is also a huge leap ahead. Imo, the E46, E9x, E82 really suffered and took a step back compared to older clutch type LSDs in the day (E36, E39 etc). Imho, flame-suit on, they suck. The F8x Active M diffs go one better with a load more inputs to get a better locking behaviour. I'm curious if and how it works on decel too.

So yeah, already from factory you have far superior pieces. Pieces that if you change on a E series chassis, takes away from it's daily capabilities.

The only aids I hate is the steering, EPS sucks (for me) and BMW seem to veer further and further away from sports/driver/enthusiast cars imo. “There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.”
Good read: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/st...-steering-feel
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Thanks gmx!

Great article.....however, he totally side stepped the direction the interviewer was getting after.

At the end of the day, BMW is targeting the mainstream consumer. That's what they will have to do to continue growing at the current pace.

I just wish the M division sat apart from this "mainstream" philosophy that they are focused on.
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Those teams are definitely correct and on point. Including Schirmer too I suppose? It's simply in another league for a dual-purpose car. The F chassis also seems to get away with less front camber. You need to get as much as you can on the E series and the common ones top out around -3 is not really enough.

The differential is also a huge leap ahead. Imo, the E46, E9x, E82 really suffered and took a step back compared to older clutch type LSDs in the day (E36, E39 etc). Imho, flame-suit on, they suck. The F8x Active M diffs go one better with a load more inputs to get a better locking behaviour. I'm curious if and how it works on decel too.

So yeah, already from factory you have far superior pieces. Pieces that if you change on a E series chassis, takes away from it's daily capabilities.

The only aids I hate is the steering, EPS sucks (for me) and BMW seem to veer further and further away from sports/driver/enthusiast cars imo. “There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.”
Good read: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/st...-steering-feel
According to the people i spoke with, people that actually build dedicated track cars for RCN and VLN, as well as customers tuning they are all FOR electric steering. However, when speaking about racing, they all look and grab E36, E46 and E92 M3s NA engines have been proven to have far less issues on track than turbocharged ones. The amount of extra cooling when going racing (not your usual street and fun track car) is a bit crazy. I have seen the F82 M4 run with 2 extra oil coolers (+ factory) during RCN and VLN.

Those diffs can always be upgraded, i mean that is what happens with technology, but everytime i consider to replace my 125i, i keep finding myself looking at E46 M3s, then reality hits me and i smile at the 125i (due to much cheaper running costs for road and track). That S65 V8 is wonderful, but its fuel...on track they run out after 4 laps on Nürburgring (i do 9+ before the warning light comes on). The M2, from what i heard, can do around 6+ laps when pushed hard.

But there is no denying, that the new M cars have a way better base/foundation to start with as any E series cars, from chassis and handling perspective. They are almost "track ready", unless you convert to no interior, cage, racing brakes, suspension etc then cooling should be considered. For dual purpose, get in and drive and they say.
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I drove mine, and I drove it hard. Every single time I pulled from the garage the car was put thru it's paces. 16k miles in the almost two years I owned. Did three Blackstone reports and everything came back great. The N55 has been solid for some time now. But you never know.

You can find an M2 now at good prices but they are still up there. It is a great car for daily and weekend fun if you are looking to have a capable weekend track car in your daily I mean.
Please correct me, because the amount of information is confusing me. It may have a N55 engine, but all internals (crank, rods, pistons etc) are S55? that turbo is an N55 as well, as far as i am aware, the M2 is a N55 and S55 hybrid engine?

My only problem (if you call it a problem) is that i really like to stick with NA engines since i do a lot of track days (5-6 a year). When i was at mending Airfield track day, i saw two 911.1 Turbos, F80 M3 and C63 AMG all go into the pits by laps 4-5. They all got limp mode/engine warning, granted it was a 42c day so it was probably touching 50c on track (more or less). My own N52 engine oil was sitting just a tad over 120c with 5w-40 oil when normally i see it between 115c and 120c during hot and humid summer days on track, i may be slower but that engine just kept going, happily redlining 3rd and nearly 4th all day long.

M2 is a very VERY completing package in terms of performance, value, size and practicality, no doubt. But something about hearing a screaming 6 or 8 cylinder NA engine redlining....puts a huge smile on my face.
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The lowest priced used M2s are at $42k now. When they hit $25k I'm going to buy one as a beater...for real.
My autotrader search is set for $40k. Obviously nothing yet, but sounds like there will be options in there soon.
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Please correct me, because the amount of information is confusing me. It may have a N55 engine, but all internals (crank, rods, pistons etc) are S55? that turbo is an N55 as well, as far as i am aware, the M2 is a N55 and S55 hybrid engine?

My only problem (if you call it a problem) is that i really like to stick with NA engines since i do a lot of track days (5-6 a year). When i was at mending Airfield track day, i saw two 911.1 Turbos, F80 M3 and C63 AMG all go into the pits by laps 4-5. They all got limp mode/engine warning, granted it was a 42c day so it was probably touching 50c on track (more or less). My own N52 engine oil was sitting just a tad over 120c with 5w-40 oil when normally i see it between 115c and 120c during hot and humid summer days on track, i may be slower but that engine just kept going, happily redlining 3rd and nearly 4th all day long.

M2 is a very VERY completing package in terms of performance, value, size and practicality, no doubt. But something about hearing a screaming 6 or 8 cylinder NA engine redlining....puts a huge smile on my face.
Love my Corvette for this. It seems to be able to take a lot of abuse with no issue.
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I drove mine, and I drove it hard. Every single time I pulled from the garage the car was put thru it's paces. 16k miles in the almost two years I owned. Did three Blackstone reports and everything came back great. The N55 has been solid for some time now. But you never know.

You can find an M2 now at good prices but they are still up there. It is a great car for daily and weekend fun if you are looking to have a capable weekend track car in your daily I mean.
Please correct me, because the amount of information is confusing me. It may have a N55 engine, but all internals (crank, rods, pistons etc) are S55? that turbo is an N55 as well, as far as i am aware, the M2 is a N55 and S55 hybrid engine?

My only problem (if you call it a problem) is that i really like to stick with NA engines since i do a lot of track days (5-6 a year). When i was at mending Airfield track day, i saw two 911.1 Turbos, F80 M3 and C63 AMG all go into the pits by laps 4-5. They all got limp mode/engine warning, granted it was a 42c day so it was probably touching 50c on track (more or less). My own N52 engine oil was sitting just a tad over 120c with 5w-40 oil when normally i see it between 115c and 120c during hot and humid summer days on track, i may be slower but that engine just kept going, happily redlining 3rd and nearly 4th all day long.

M2 is a very VERY completing package in terms of performance, value, size and practicality, no doubt. But something about hearing a screaming 6 or 8 cylinder NA engine redlining....puts a huge smile on my face.
It is definitely a Frankenstein. N55 on the outside with a handful of internals from the M3/M4 engine like you said. There is a full write up on the M2 forums with parts breakdown. This is why it makes 369hp rather than the 300 the 135i makes.

I had mine running events where it was 20min session consecutively and not heat soak or limp mode but I was modified. I ran an event where ambient temp was 97 degrees and still performed very well. The DINAN intercooler was 278% bigger than stock. It was a great car and very fun. The new one has even better cooling for track days, I am looking forward to putting it thru its paces on track once I get it.

But yes, nothing beats the sound of N/A, I used to track a light Honda weighing 2200 lbs and pushing 185whp at 9600 RPM. A BMW straight six or even the V8 on the E9X revving high is music to the ears. But the pull the turbo cars have at low end is amazing compared to some N/A cars.
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It is definitely a Frankenstein. N55 on the outside with a handful of internals from the M3/M4 engine like you said. There is a full write up on the M2 forums with parts breakdown. This is why it makes 369hp rather than the 300 the 135i makes.

I had mine running events where it was 20min session consecutively and not heat soak or limp mode but I was modified. I ran an event where ambient temp was 97 degrees and still performed very well. The DINAN intercooler was 278% bigger than stock. It was a great car and very fun. The new one has even better cooling for track days, I am looking forward to putting it thru its paces on track once I get it.

But yes, nothing beats the sound of N/A, I used to track a light Honda weighing 2200 lbs and pushing 185whp at 9600 RPM. A BMW straight six or even the V8 on the E9X revving high is music to the ears. But the pull the turbo cars have at low end is amazing compared to some N/A cars.
Indeed, turbos just work better on the road. But the NA is almost dead, even rumors saying that the next GT3 will be turbocharged and BMW got rid of all NA engines with the F series, so did Mercedes and VW and the list goes on.

That E92 S65 V8....if only the fuel economy was not so bad, id probably get one.
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